Secpmd Attempt At 2k

[old] RowtheRockies · Post by **[old] RowtheRockies** » January 23rd, 2006, 1:35 pm

Well, I have had my concept 2now for about three weeks so was excited to take a crack at going all out for 2K. My first attempt was horribly painful as someone predicted it would be. First attempt I was averaging 1:48/500 for the first 700M and then new pretty quickly that that was way to fast and started to fade off real quick and decided to just try and hold on for 1000M. On my second attempt yesterday, I tried to average 1:52 and did so for the first 1500 but started to feel like I was carrying the bear the last 500M and gradually slowed but ended up at 7:30 on the money so I am pretty happy about that. Will give it another crack in a couple of weeks.

[old] RowtheRockies · Post by **[old] RowtheRockies** » January 23rd, 2006, 1:56 pm

OOOps, meant to post this in the New Personal Best thread.

[old] raymond botha · Post by **[old] raymond botha** » January 23rd, 2006, 2:12 pm

I wonder if there is anyone who has'nt had a similar experience. I have'nt ventured my 3rd attempt from a similar mishap now nearly 6 months ago. Why does it feel so easy when the 2k starts ? Ray

[old] jbell · Post by **[old] jbell** » January 23rd, 2006, 8:03 pm

Last 2k I did, I was trying to hold 1.45 for the whole thing. I was feeling great til about the 1250 mark,and then it just hit me. It got alot harder right there. I kept pulling as hard as I could, and sprinted the last 250m, and got 7:00.1. I'm doing one this sunday at strong island sprints. Hopefully below 6:50 is possible. As for my first couple of 2k's, I remember sweating alot after them, then when I got to the 4th one (below 8) I was very tired.

[old] Ray79 · Post by **[old] Ray79** » January 24th, 2006, 5:10 am

Last one I did was at the Irish indoors. Was aiming for 6:40 and thought it was in my reach. Got caught up with the occasion (first race and all) and went out too fast - 1:37/500 for the first 800m. Then at about 1200m lots of discomfort. Splits slipped big time, tried to hold on and couldnt, was pulling 1:58's and 2:00 splits at one time. Made 2 sprints from the line, one from 300m out and the other from 150 out and couldnt hold on to either. Ended with a 6:56. Moral of this story - have a race plan and stick to it no matter what, and must try harder!!!

[old] samdkrc · Post by **[old] samdkrc** » January 24th, 2006, 8:31 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Ray79 @ Jan 24 2006, 10:10 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Last one I did was at the Irish indoors. Was aiming for 6:40 and thought it was in my reach. Got caught up with the occasion (first race and all) and went out too fast - 1:37/500 for the first 800m. Then at about 1200m lots of discomfort. Splits slipped big time, tried to hold on and couldnt, was pulling 1:58's and 2:00 splits at one time. Made 2 sprints from the line, one from 300m out and the other from 150 out and couldnt hold on to either. Ended with a 6:56. Moral of this story - have a race plan and stick to it no matter what, and must try harder!!! </td></tr></table> I seem to remember you hitting 1:20's in that race Ray not many people can hit 1:58's and 2:00 splits and still go sub7 comfortably I tend to go for a constant split now and just stick with it regardless of how fast everyone else is going, but my first few 2k's were sheer madness...first one was a 7:51 and I stopped for 5-6secs trying to get my shirt out from under the slides was hitting 2:10's for well over 100m as well

[old] twija681 · Post by **[old] twija681** » January 25th, 2006, 4:31 pm

I found the key is in those first ten stokes. Think of them as "free". If you time it right, you can nut out as hard as you can for about ten strokes (around 1.20ish pace for me) then take a 'little breather' for two or three strokes as you drop your rating and your splits to your target pace (say 1.31/1.32). Then the grind starts, stick to your numbers through the middle thousand then hit that last 500 and toughen up...my best ever ergs have been one or so seconds faster in my first and last 500s than my middle two. Best way to get a pb, because your head tells you your sitting at your old pb pace but in fact you've knocked two seconds off at either end! Give it a try, but i warn you if you don't drop down at about the ten stroke mark your gonna be asking for a blow out!

[old] TomR/the elder · Post by **[old] TomR/the elder** » January 25th, 2006, 9:41 pm

Before you start out thinking you've got 10 "free" strokes, you might want to read what Mike Caviston says in the Wolverine Plan thread: p5, post 75, and especially p6. post 84 on precisely this topic. Tom

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » January 25th, 2006, 9:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jan 11 2006, 12:59 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi, On the ergo you have immediate feedback what your pace is. This is not the case in racing on the water. On the water it was by feel and race experience. On the ergo you aware of every split time and second you pull. So this is how I personally row a 2K. First I determine what I am capable of for 2k, by rowing a few race pace 1000 and 500m, and past ability and my current endurance ability for steady state. In 2004 I pushed 5:53 In 2005 6:02 ( I believe) For the sake of simplicity I will show the race plan for a 6:00 2K First eighteen strokes bring the average per 500 meters down to 1:27ish without overdoing it and using adrenaline. Be very carful not to be blinded by adrenaline, if you do that mistake you explode somwhere between 1200m and 800 meters to go. After the first 18 strokes find your race pace, which DOES not have to be 1:30, you have a head start because of the start. So I would push 130-131 occasionaly seeing 1:32. I am carfully monitoring the total average split per 500. So slowly the "start-lead" fizzels down to a total average of 1:30. This occured to me at 900 meters to go. So now it is down to buisness. I couldn't immediately adjust to maintaining 1:30 constant overall average so I lost in overall average 0.4 seconds bringing it to 1:30.4. The further you go into the piece the less the total average per 500 meters fluctuates! Once I find the pace at exactly and consistantly 1:30 I am at roughly 650 meters to go. Cool I see the end of the tunnel, yeah! I also do not feel totally tired either because I chose the right pace and only had to row the 1:30 for roughly 500 meters. So by the time I hit 350 meters to go I sprint because I know it is roughly thirty stroke. That is psycho babble of coursem, because it is going to be more like 38 strokes, but who cares about an extra 8 strokes when you only have 50 meters left. Believe me, when the sprint is set up right, for the remaining 350 meters, YOU CAN DROP YOUR OVERALL AVERGE by 0.5 seconds or even 0.8. I hope this helps. I realize that this is different from negative splitting. I am NOT a negative splitter. We should have a get together at the IRON OARSMAN one day and eat at the outback stake house down the street. XENO </td></tr></table>

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » January 26th, 2006, 11:59 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(TomR/the elder @ Jan 26 2006, 03:41 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Before you start out thinking you've got 10 "free" strokes, you might want to read what Mike Caviston says in the Wolverine Plan thread: p5, post 75, and especially p6. post 84 on precisely this topic. Tom[right] </td></tr></table> <a href='http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?s ... st&p=37345' target='_blank'>page 5 post 75</a> <a href='http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?s ... st&p=37831' target='_blank'>page 6 post 84</a>

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