Endurance erging - A place to discuss 42, 50, 100k upwards.

[aegis]

One thing I did notice is how the mind starts playing tricks on you when you get tired, small discomforts start appearing when the cause of the discomfort (in my case a zip on my tights when I'm erging outdoors, however I wasn't even wearing it!) is not even present.

Mind games are massively magnified when you're tired. It's hard to explain how much until you experience them as you're always a bit cynical before you really feel it.

This is why I always bang on about getting used to the discomfort as much as you can without overdoing it. The ability to recall moments when it felt horrible, but you carried on is really important.

During the 32km row i actually reached and tried to adjust the 'zip' when i realised its all in the mind and to shut down that voice in the head.
I do one set of intervals a week either speed or endurance with all other training being SS. Nowhere near as fast as you guys but its nice to see improvements coming in slowly and surely.
More importantly as i look back at recall the sessions when i went too fast and blew up, to now being able to pace the same sessions properly, improving and dealing with the discomfort it is a huge confidence booster. There is no pressure and I'm doing it for general fitness and racing only against myself. Pretty sure i will get the FM in the bag this year.

[RWAGR]

Had my final long tune up before the marathon (3/26, a week Sunday) today: 30,000.

Overall it went well. A cushion and Vaseline ruled out any ass pain, and finger tape/ Vaseline under arms sorted out the friction areas. I also felt fine cardio wise, and I think with more confidence could have found some more speed.

My hammies - especially my right hamstring - were still a problem, however. The discomfort started about 15k in and it was actually sore from around 22,500. It never got as bad as the other day when I had to stop, but it was enough to be a concern. It's weird because it lessened a bit when I picked up the pace in the final 5k. I wonder therefore if it is largely or at least partly a mental issue- i.e. that when rowing at slower paces my mind dwells on the soreness because it isn't taken up with focusing on achieving a particular speed/ pace goal. This is bolstered by the fact that I don't have any residual pain after rowing, and at most some light soreness the next day. Either way, I may just pop two non drowsy painkillers before starting the marathon to mask any pain for the one off row... thoughts on this?

Have 3 more sessions over the next 10 days- mostly 15-20k work at steady paces- I'll probably do a couple of short hard sessions on the bike but nothing too dramatic.

Today:


Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:02:53.0 30,000m 2:02.8 189 949 23
40:56.7 10,000m 2:02.8 189 949 23
41:16.5 10,000m 2:03.8 184 934 23
40:39.8 10,000m 2:01.9 193 963 24

[Tsnor]

... Either way, I may just pop two non drowsy painkillers before starting the marathon to mask any pain for the one off row..

Google "nsaid impact on training" (without the quotes) and skim several of the references and then make your own conclusion re benefits/rewards vs risk. You'll need to read several because there are contradictory opinions and studies to back them up. Ignore kidney damage, etc, you won't get that from using nsaids once. Focus on impact to muscles during and after workout.

[GlennUk]

Personally wouldn't bother, if you have a recurring issue then best to sort out the underlying cause rather than mask it.

Obvs your choice

[Sakly]

Personally wouldn't bother, if you have a recurring issue then best to sort out the underlying cause rather than mask it.

Obvs your choice

+1

[RWAGR]

Rowed 18k at around 1.59 today with no hamstring issues. Weird.

[Dangerscouse]

Rowed 18k at around 1.59 today with no hamstring issues. Weird.

That is weird. Imo, I don't think that it's anything to really worry about as it only hurts intermittently, and they're not a primary muscle focus, but that is just my opinion, and I've rowed when I probably shouldn't have. I rowed a 30k two days after dislocating a finger, so maybe I'm not the best person to advise

[RWAGR]

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:52:24.8 42,195m 2:02.5 190 953 22
41:07.7 10,000m 2:03.3 186 941 21
41:08.3 10,000m 2:03.4 186 940 22
41:04.8 10,000m 2:03.2 187 943 22
40:45.3 10,000m 2:02.2 191 959 23
8:18.7 2,195m 1:53.5 239 1121 27

Thanks for all the help! Did it w my buddy Nate who rowed a great marathon about 18 seconds faster. We're both stoked.

[Elizabeth]

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:52:24.8 42,195m 2:02.5 190 953 22
41:07.7 10,000m 2:03.3 186 941 21
41:08.3 10,000m 2:03.4 186 940 22
41:04.8 10,000m 2:03.2 187 943 22
40:45.3 10,000m 2:02.2 191 959 23
8:18.7 2,195m 1:53.5 239 1121 27

Thanks for all the help! Did it w my buddy Nate who rowed a great marathon about 18 seconds faster. We're both stoked.

Rob, that's fantastic! Met your goal by a comfortable margin, and very well-paced. Great work!

[Gustel]

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:52:24.8 42,195m 2:02.5 190 953 22
41:07.7 10,000m 2:03.3 186 941 21
41:08.3 10,000m 2:03.4 186 940 22
41:04.8 10,000m 2:03.2 187 943 22
40:45.3 10,000m 2:02.2 191 959 23
8:18.7 2,195m 1:53.5 239 1121 27

Thanks for all the help! Did it w my buddy Nate who rowed a great marathon about 18 seconds faster. We're both stoked.

Great row. Very fast last 2k. Excellent.

[RayOfSunshine]

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:52:24.8 42,195m 2:02.5 190 953 22
41:07.7 10,000m 2:03.3 186 941 21
41:08.3 10,000m 2:03.4 186 940 22
41:04.8 10,000m 2:03.2 187 943 22
40:45.3 10,000m 2:02.2 191 959 23
8:18.7 2,195m 1:53.5 239 1121 27

Thanks for all the help! Did it w my buddy Nate who rowed a great marathon about 18 seconds faster. We're both stoked.

Congrats to you and Nate! You can add a nice FM time to your signature too.

[Sakly]

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:52:24.8 42,195m 2:02.5 190 953 22
41:07.7 10,000m 2:03.3 186 941 21
41:08.3 10,000m 2:03.4 186 940 22
41:04.8 10,000m 2:03.2 187 943 22
40:45.3 10,000m 2:02.2 191 959 23
8:18.7 2,195m 1:53.5 239 1121 27

Thanks for all the help! Did it w my buddy Nate who rowed a great marathon about 18 seconds faster. We're both stoked.

Very well done!
Your pacing was on point

[nick rockliff]

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:52:24.8 42,195m 2:02.5 190 953 22
41:07.7 10,000m 2:03.3 186 941 21
41:08.3 10,000m 2:03.4 186 940 22
41:04.8 10,000m 2:03.2 187 943 22
40:45.3 10,000m 2:02.2 191 959 23
8:18.7 2,195m 1:53.5 239 1121 27

Thanks for all the help! Did it w my buddy Nate who rowed a great marathon about 18 seconds faster. We're both stoked.

Nice going, well do e.

[Dangerscouse]

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:52:24.8 42,195m 2:02.5 190 953 22
41:07.7 10,000m 2:03.3 186 941 21
41:08.3 10,000m 2:03.4 186 940 22
41:04.8 10,000m 2:03.2 187 943 22
40:45.3 10,000m 2:02.2 191 959 23
8:18.7 2,195m 1:53.5 239 1121 27

Thanks for all the help! Did it w my buddy Nate who rowed a great marathon about 18 seconds faster. We're both stoked.

Great result, Rob. IIRC, you were aiming for sub three weren't you? Regardless, doing an FM at all is something to be proud of and I'm really pleased for you.

FWIW, I think that my first FM was circa 2:52, so that's a bit of food for thought if you wanted to keep going at the FM

[GlennUk]

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
2:52:24.8 42,195m 2:02.5 190 953 22
41:07.7 10,000m 2:03.3 186 941 21
41:08.3 10,000m 2:03.4 186 940 22
41:04.8 10,000m 2:03.2 187 943 22
40:45.3 10,000m 2:02.2 191 959 23
8:18.7 2,195m 1:53.5 239 1121 27

Thanks for all the help! Did it w my buddy Nate who rowed a great marathon about 18 seconds faster. We're both stoked.

Well done excellent row, congrats on reaching your goal.