Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by btswims » February 22nd, 2023, 9:09 am

Week 11 Day 3 -

Should have been 8k, but was interrupted and had to be a parent. Oh well

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	HR
34:28.8	7,299m	2:21.7	123	723	20	146
7:47.6	1,600m	2:26.1	112	686	20	144
7:25.8	1,600m	2:19.3	129	745	21	145
7:26.6	1,600m	2:19.5	129	743	21	149
7:29.9	1,600m	2:20.5	126	733	21	147
4:17.4	899m	2:23.1	119	710	21	148
Week 12 Day 1 -

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	HR
45:47.6	10,000m	2:17.3	135	764	21	152
9:21.8	2,000m	2:20.4	126	734	21	145
9:06.2	2,000m	2:16.5	137	773	21	151
9:05.7	2,000m	2:16.4	138	774	22	153
9:06.3	2,000m	2:16.5	137	772	22	157
9:07.7	2,000m	2:16.9	136	769	22	155
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by RayOfSunshine » February 22nd, 2023, 10:45 am

BPP 20.4
[10000m]Restrict the rate, work on technique, relaxation and efficiency, don’t worry about the pace.

The 33spm compares to about 18-19 on the rower for me. I'm very pleased with the HR. I really focused on being smooth and efficient.

Looking back at old sessions, the HR readings may be incorrect. I'd expect the last 2k to be around 150 (140 at a minimum). Time will tell.


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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by RayOfSunshine » February 23rd, 2023, 12:31 pm

BPP 20.5
[8 x 500m / 2min rest]Look back to week 17 when you last did this session. Can you beat the average pace you managed that time? This session will be a good indicator of the pace you could try a single 2000m row at, after you’ve completed the full 24 weeks of this training plan.

Goal was < 2:00 average splits as I'm hoping to do a sub8 2k on the ski at the end of the plan.
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I went for a sub8 2k the other day, but I came out too hot. My 1st 400m were at a 1:57.6 pace @ 55spm. I blew up halfway. My plan completely went out the window.
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by istro » February 23rd, 2023, 3:29 pm

RayOfSunshine wrote:
February 21st, 2023, 5:25 pm
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Looking good! How long in between each session, on average? 6 month? It's awesome looking at your gains.

Today was BPP 20.3. I didn't follow the script b/c I wanted to complete the Tour De SkiErg Challenge weekly piece.
Thanks! The time difference is about 4-5 months - I've mostly done the next workout from the plan every day, since I was aiming to finish BPP & do a HM before my birthday (yes, it did get a bit straining in the end - but I did meet that goal). After the hard work of final few weeks & HM the 5k of week 1 seemed like warmup - so I just restarted the plan right away. First few weeks of the second run-through definitely felt like rest, haha.

An interesting aspect that numbers don't really show is in how focus changes over time - when I just started out, just getting through the distance was an achievement in itself, later I started keeping an eye on pace and tried to match/improve, then later when I got the heart rate monitor training to a specific HR limit became a focus - and seeing the pace vary based on factors like food or sleep or caffeination level as a side effect was fascinating. Now on the second run it's fun to compare to the first run - but just pace numbers don't take into account these other things that may significantly skew the pace. Latest example of something I decided to do yesterday - for steady state pieces, I'm going to REALLY try to fix my body position with intentional focus (solid strong core & back during the drive, really straight back during recovery, no hunching at the catch & no leaning beyond 11 o'clock at the end of the drive). All that takes more effort than "relaxed" smooth strokes I do now (which have the sequence correct - but body position leaves some to be desired). More effort = heart rate climbs, to counteract that I try to take it easier and my pace drops... Yesterday was the first time I alternated 10 strokes straight back super form focused -> 10 strokes sloppy to slow down the heart, and the pace/heart rate graph really shows it, haha. Today I plan on 11 strokes super focused - 10 relaxed, next time 12/10 and so forth until hopefully the focused correct form becomes the norm and I don't need to "rest" from it by being sloppier :)

As to following the script - we're doing this for ourselves, no harm in rearranging order or adjusting as needed :)


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btswims wrote:
February 22nd, 2023, 9:09 am
Week 11 Day 3 -

Should have been 8k, but was interrupted and had to be a parent. Oh well

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	HR
34:28.8	7,299m	2:21.7	123	723	20	146
7:47.6	1,600m	2:26.1	112	686	20	144
7:25.8	1,600m	2:19.3	129	745	21	145
7:26.6	1,600m	2:19.5	129	743	21	149
7:29.9	1,600m	2:20.5	126	733	21	147
4:17.4	899m	2:23.1	119	710	21	148
Week 12 Day 1 -

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	HR
45:47.6	10,000m	2:17.3	135	764	21	152
9:21.8	2,000m	2:20.4	126	734	21	145
9:06.2	2,000m	2:16.5	137	773	21	151
9:05.7	2,000m	2:16.4	138	774	22	153
9:06.3	2,000m	2:16.5	137	772	22	157
9:07.7	2,000m	2:16.9	136	769	22	155
@btswims I so relate to parenting duties interruptions :lol:. It is definitely more important, and we can catch up on the workout a bit later. Solid sessions though, nice work keeping that heart rate steady!
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by RayOfSunshine » February 24th, 2023, 4:50 pm

BPP 21.1

10000m – Begin this row at a pace 2 seconds slower than your best 10000m previously. Gradually increase the pace up to half way, aiming to be at your pb pace by this stage. Hold this pace for another 2000m, and then see if you can gradually increase the pace for the final 3000m – how close can you get to your pb pace in the end?

Legs were a bit week from yesterday's sprints, but I decided to press on. SB pace from 17 days ago was 2:11.7. Was way ahead after 1k, so I started pressing for <2:10 pace. Near the end, I really started pushing for < 2:09 pace (sub43 10k). Ended with 43:03.3... looking ahead to week 23, I'll target sub43.
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by RayOfSunshine » February 25th, 2023, 6:00 pm

BPP 21.2
4 x 1000m / 3min rest
After yesterday's SB on the 10k, I wasn't quite sure what to expect. It was a confidence booster for sure. My goal after BPP is a sub8 2k and I feel like I'm close.

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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by aegis » February 26th, 2023, 9:40 am

Just curious is an 8min 2k on the skierg comparable in terms of effort on the rower?

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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by rowingmitch » February 26th, 2023, 12:17 pm

Just finished my 4th week. Trying to improve technique, especially by getting more power out of my legs and increasing the recovery time.

Last 2 sessions:
6500M: 2.04,8 p 500M 21SPM
7000M: 2.06,2 p 500M 18SPM

Just before the last session I bought a HRM. average of 150 BPM and maximum of 163.

Goal is to end the pete plan with a fast 5000M.

Is lowering the SPM for these kind of sessions to approx 18 recommended to end with the best progress? or better to stay at approx 21 SPM, or mix it up?
Not sure yet what my max heart rate is, got to test it soon (34yrs old 78kg). Did I understand it correct that these kind of sessions should be at approx 75-80%?

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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by RayOfSunshine » February 26th, 2023, 2:13 pm

aegis wrote:
February 26th, 2023, 9:40 am
Just curious is an 8min 2k on the skierg comparable in terms of effort on the rower?
That's a hard one since I'm still pretty much a newbie on the SkiErg... but, if I think back to when I did the BPP on the rower... I'm guessing it would be something like 7:45
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by RayOfSunshine » February 26th, 2023, 2:31 pm

rowingmitch wrote:
February 26th, 2023, 12:17 pm
Just finished my 4th week. Trying to improve technique, especially by getting more power out of my legs and increasing the recovery time.

Last 2 sessions:
6500M: 2.04,8 p 500M 21SPM
7000M: 2.06,2 p 500M 18SPM

Just before the last session I bought a HRM. average of 150 BPM and maximum of 163.

Goal is to end the pete plan with a fast 5000M.

Is lowering the SPM for these kind of sessions to approx 18 recommended to end with the best progress? or better to stay at approx 21 SPM, or mix it up?
Not sure yet what my max heart rate is, got to test it soon (34yrs old 78kg). Did I understand it correct that these kind of sessions should be at approx 75-80%?
Nice work.
I don't think lowering the SPM will give you better progress UNLESS you need to work on adding power to your stroke. On the flip side, if you have issues rating up.. it may make sense to go higher than 21 SPM. As you go further in the program, you'll be restricted to 24spm on some and asked to set your personal best (PB) on others. You can mix it up even within the workout if you're getting bored. For example, do a ladder switching every 500 or 1k from 18-20-22-24-22-20-18. One of my favorite rows is a 30r20 (30' TT restricted to 20SPM).

I think 75-80% sounds reasonable until they tell you to push it. I still have a problem backing off unless I'm doing a specific workout.
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by winniewinser » February 27th, 2023, 5:47 am

aegis wrote:
February 26th, 2023, 9:40 am
Just curious is an 8min 2k on the skierg comparable in terms of effort on the rower?
Personally for me the difference in 2km time is around 10 splits.....at my peak fitness I was 6:50 row and 7:28 ski. Nowhere near that now though.

Both machines need plenty of fitness but are very different beasts with differing attributes required.
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by RayOfSunshine » February 27th, 2023, 10:04 am

winniewinser wrote:
February 27th, 2023, 5:47 am
aegis wrote:
February 26th, 2023, 9:40 am
Just curious is an 8min 2k on the skierg comparable in terms of effort on the rower?
Personally for me the difference in 2km time is around 10 splits.....at my peak fitness I was 6:50 row and 7:28 ski. Nowhere near that now though.

Both machines need plenty of fitness but are very different beasts with differing attributes required.
Good info. Thanks!

I may do a 2k TT on the rower a few days after the skierg.
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by btswims » February 27th, 2023, 12:55 pm

Week 12 Day 2 -

I need to pace better the opening interval, but overall very happy with these times. Feels like the lifting I've been doing for the past 2 months has started to help.

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	HR
24:18.1	6,000m	2:01.5	195	971	23	168
6:08.3	1,500m	2:02.7	189	951	22	163
6:10.0	1,500m	2:03.3	187	942	22	165
6:04.2	1,500m	2:01.4	196	973	24	170
5:55.6	1,500m	1:58.5	210	1023	25	174
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@istro - Yeah, it has taken me time to learn how to balance parenting and being active again. I used to like a strict schedule and after trying to make that happen I learned it was a mistake. Now I get in workouts when I can and know over the long run it will even out.
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by RayOfSunshine » February 27th, 2023, 1:40 pm

btswims wrote:
February 27th, 2023, 12:55 pm
Week 12 Day 2 -

I need to pace better the opening interval, but overall very happy with these times. Feels like the lifting I've been doing for the past 2 months has started to help.

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	HR
24:18.1	6,000m	2:01.5	195	971	23	168
6:08.3	1,500m	2:02.7	189	951	22	163
6:10.0	1,500m	2:03.3	187	942	22	165
6:04.2	1,500m	2:01.4	196	973	24	170
5:55.6	1,500m	1:58.5	210	1023	25	174
r1,397m					
@istro - Yeah, it has taken me time to learn how to balance parenting and being active again. I used to like a strict schedule and after trying to make that happen I learned it was a mistake. Now I get in workouts when I can and know over the long run it will even out.
Was your initial target (from the optional session last week or week 8)? For me, I like to add it to my posts so I have a reference when I look back.
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Re: Pondering the Beginner Pete Plan

Post by btswims » February 27th, 2023, 2:26 pm

RayOfSunshine wrote:
February 27th, 2023, 1:40 pm
btswims wrote:
February 27th, 2023, 12:55 pm
Week 12 Day 2 -

I need to pace better the opening interval, but overall very happy with these times. Feels like the lifting I've been doing for the past 2 months has started to help.

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	HR
24:18.1	6,000m	2:01.5	195	971	23	168
6:08.3	1,500m	2:02.7	189	951	22	163
6:10.0	1,500m	2:03.3	187	942	22	165
6:04.2	1,500m	2:01.4	196	973	24	170
5:55.6	1,500m	1:58.5	210	1023	25	174
r1,397m					
@istro - Yeah, it has taken me time to learn how to balance parenting and being active again. I used to like a strict schedule and after trying to make that happen I learned it was a mistake. Now I get in workouts when I can and know over the long run it will even out.
Was your initial target (from the optional session last week or week 8)? For me, I like to add it to my posts so I have a reference when I look back.
Yes, back on Jan. 13 so about 6 weeks ago I averaged 2:03 and I was targeting 2:02.

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Time	Meters	Pace	Watts	Cal/Hr	S/M	
24:39.9	6,000m	2:03.3	187	942	23	170
6:09.1	1,500m	2:03.0	188	946	23	166
6:11.3	1,500m	2:03.7	185	935	23	168
6:13.9	1,500m	2:04.6	181	922	23	169
6:05.6	1,500m	2:01.8	193	965	25	177
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