Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

From the CRASH-B's to an online challenge, discuss the competitive side of erging here.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by CaseyClarke » December 30th, 2022, 11:20 am

Citroen wrote:
December 30th, 2022, 5:22 am
Does anyone know what the Gee Crew have chosen for January?
No announcement yet.

They possibly don’t even know they’re choosing it. Have you had direct contact with Tommy Gee or anyone on that crew on this page before? Maybe message them direct? No response and they lose out and the February team chooses instead?!

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Citroen » December 31st, 2022, 2:06 am

Neither of those options work when I'm 15,500km from home on a cruise ship.

So, my plan is to set-up the January row as a straight 2K, no restrictions simply row 2K and post a result.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by CaseyClarke » December 31st, 2022, 2:24 am

Citroen wrote:
December 31st, 2022, 2:06 am
Neither of those options work when I'm 15,500km from home on a cruise ship.

So, my plan is to set-up the January row as a straight 2K, no restrictions simply row 2K and post a result.
I knew you’d say that, as you’ve talked about doing that on one or two previous occasions where teams have been late to decide.

Nobody voted for a 2000m. You shouldn’t be able to decide this.

Fairer to just put up a fish game or something until the 3rd or 4th Jan and contact the team choosing in February (FIRT) and get them to choose January.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Rod » December 31st, 2022, 2:50 am

If the team that were supposed to choose the next challenge don't do so (and give a weeks notice of it ) then I agree with Casey that it should be delayed and pass to the next team in line for selecting the fun.

I don't think a 2k that has not been voted on will prove very popular!

I think we also need a system where the team choosing the challenge confirm that they will do so a month in advance and that they will, as mentioned, give a weeks notice of what the challenge is going to be.

To get to the last day of the month and not know what the next months CTC will be is not a good situation so we should put a procedure in place to make sure this does not happen again.

If the next team in line for choosing can't say what the challenge will be quickly then as I'm involved with the team who have the choice of challenge after that I can confirm that we will be able to put up a challenge pretty fast if needed.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by joe80 » December 31st, 2022, 7:31 am

We're still in December! I've spoken with Tommy Gee and he's going to get back to me with the Gee Team challenge later today. I'll post it here as soon as it's forthcoming.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by joe80 » December 31st, 2022, 7:51 am

The Gee Crew challenge is:
'Double December'.

1000m row with no restrictions other than a standing start.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by AnnaRaeGreen » December 31st, 2022, 11:34 am

Two Pudding Kid wrote:
December 25th, 2022, 4:40 pm
George Bingham put a simpler proposal on the facebook page that the number of active months plus a maximum of ten boats should decide the challenger. I support this over my own scheme as it future-proofs against the scenario of teams producing, say, 100 boats but also retains an element that encourages participation.
I am happy to go with George Bingham's suggestion.
Also in favour of George Bingham's suggestion
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by AnnaRaeGreen » December 31st, 2022, 11:50 am

Also I noticed that there appears to be an issue with the data in the "Active Months" column. Two teams with 23 months, 3 teams with 15 months and 3 teams with 14 months. Not sure what happened but this doesn't seem right (based on my knowledge of the rules)

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by joe80 » December 31st, 2022, 2:55 pm

AnnaRaeGreen wrote:
December 31st, 2022, 11:50 am
Also I noticed that there appears to be an issue with the data in the "Active Months" column. Two teams with 23 months, 3 teams with 15 months and 3 teams with 14 months. Not sure what happened but this doesn't seem right (based on my knowledge of the rules)

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Without going into the details of each team's activity, we introduced the rule about 'active months' many years ago. Before then, the Challenger was based simply on the interval since the previous challenge. This meant that moribund teams rose up the list until, finally, they became the Challenger. At this point, it was difficult to even contact a representative of a team that was no longer in action.

To qualify as an 'Active Month', a team has to launch at least one boat. The reason that some teams have the same total is down to months during which some teams have not been active. By all means, check that this is the case for the examples you give; I don't pretend to be mistake-proof.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by AnnaRaeGreen » December 31st, 2022, 8:29 pm

joe80 wrote:
December 31st, 2022, 2:55 pm

Without going into the details of each team's activity, we introduced the rule about 'active months' many years ago. Before then, the Challenger was based simply on the interval since the previous challenge. This meant that moribund teams rose up the list until, finally, they became the Challenger. At this point, it was difficult to even contact a representative of a team that was no longer in action.

To qualify as an 'Active Month', a team has to launch at least one boat. The reason that some teams have the same total is down to months during which some teams have not been active. By all means, check that this is the case for the examples you give; I don't pretend to be mistake-proof.

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Joe
Thanks for the explanation Joe - That makes perfect sense and encourages Teams to get an entry every month!
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by RobMayes » January 3rd, 2023, 1:12 pm

Could you add my new team ' Blade Rowers ' to the c2c Challenge please?

Thank you :-)

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by joe80 » January 3rd, 2023, 1:32 pm

There were some outstanding performances over the 500m for the December Challenge. It was a
close contest but Te Waka finished at the head of the leaderboard. Congratulations!

The Diamonds launched sixty boats in adding another five to their own record from last month. This is an amazing, unprecedented level of participation. Great stuff!

As mentioned last month, it does create a problem in deciding the next challenger. Some years ago, we changed the formula when FIRT launched forty-two boats. If we wish to spread the challenge more equitably between all teams, The Diamonds, by their very success, dictate a further change.

The new formula is a very straightforward one suggested by George Bingham. It's simply:

Number of Active Months + Number of Boats Launched, limited to ten

This retains the benefit of encouraging participation while allowing even the smallest teams regular progression to the challenger spot. It's also future-proofed against even greater levels of participation and doesn't alter the current table radically. There's been considerable support for random selection. This doesn't take into account the fact that some teams have been waiting two years while others have had a recent challenge. Nor does it guarantee that a team will ever get a challenge unless some arbitrary rules are added to ensure this.

Future Challengers:

February - FIRT
March - The Diamonds
April - Sub7

Age Against The Machine, as a new team with three or more consecutive months of launching boats, may claim a challenge. It doesn't happen automatically; please contact me either by PM, the C2 forum page or through facebook.

Happy New Year! Good luck with all your training and racing goals.

Regards,
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Citroen » January 3rd, 2023, 2:46 pm

RobMayes wrote:
January 3rd, 2023, 1:12 pm
Could you add my new team ' Blade Rowers ' to the c2c Challenge please?

Thank you :-)
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Dangerscouse » January 3rd, 2023, 4:22 pm

joe80 wrote:
January 3rd, 2023, 1:32 pm
There were some outstanding performances over the 500m for the December Challenge. It was a
close contest but Te Waka finished at the head of the leaderboard. Congratulations!

The Diamonds launched sixty boats in adding another five to their own record from last month. This is an amazing, unprecedented level of participation. Great stuff!

As mentioned last month, it does create a problem in deciding the next challenger. Some years ago, we changed the formula when FIRT launched forty-two boats. If we wish to spread the challenge more equitably between all teams, The Diamonds, by their very success, dictate a further change.

The new formula is a very straightforward one suggested by George Bingham. It's simply:

Number of Active Months + Number of Boats Launched, limited to ten

This retains the benefit of encouraging participation while allowing even the smallest teams regular progression to the challenger spot. It's also future-proofed against even greater levels of participation and doesn't alter the current table radically. There's been considerable support for random selection. This doesn't take into account the fact that some teams have been waiting two years while others have had a recent challenge. Nor does it guarantee that a team will ever get a challenge unless some arbitrary rules are added to ensure this.

Future Challengers:

February - FIRT
March - The Diamonds
April - Sub7

Age Against The Machine, as a new team with three or more consecutive months of launching boats, may claim a challenge. It doesn't happen automatically; please contact me either by PM, the C2 forum page or through facebook.

Happy New Year! Good luck with all your training and racing goals.

Regards,
Joe
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by RobMayes » January 4th, 2023, 3:51 am

thank you.

what happens now? How do I enter results?

Thank you

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