Rich Cureton Training

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 24th, 2005, 5:16 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If Graham can row 1:27 pace for 2K </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sorry. Should this be 1:26?<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » December 24th, 2005, 11:23 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 24 2005, 04:49 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>BTW, as I keep working on the power in my stroke, it seems to me that rowing along at 18 spm (with breaks) is a wonderful diagnostic of full body power as delivered through the speed, leverage, and sequencing of the rowing stroke. If you do this sort of rowing enough at or near the limits of your stroking power, it really doesn't have much to do with aerobic fitness, although, believe you me, you'll really huff and puff while you are doing it (thus the need for shorts breaks now and again). <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich:<br /><br />Please help me out. As a newer rower (you can see my times below), I've seen the increase in performance low stroke rate, high power rowing can provide when doing the L4 WP workouts. Two sets of questions:<br /><br />1) How do YOU do your 18 spm workouts? I'm particularly interested in the pace you row (or paces you row), how long the pieces are, how often you break, how you break (active/passive?), etc. If there is a way you structure these workouts based on your race objectives, current PBs, etc., it would be most informative.<br /><br />2) Based on the above, what would you recommend for someone like me in this regard, doing a similar kind of workout? Are there any indicators you use that I might be able to use, albeit at different times in my workout, using different paces, etc.?<br /><br />Thanks, Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays!<br /><br />-- Mark

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » December 25th, 2005, 6:19 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Dec 24 2005, 11:23 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 24 2005, 04:49 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>BTW, as I keep working on the power in my stroke, it seems to me that rowing along at 18 spm (with breaks) is a wonderful diagnostic of full body power as delivered through the speed, leverage, and sequencing of the rowing stroke. If you do this sort of rowing enough at or near the limits of your stroking power, it really doesn't have much to do with aerobic fitness, although, believe you me, you'll really huff and puff while you are doing it (thus the need for shorts breaks now and again). <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich:<br /><br />Please help me out. As a newer rower (you can see my times below), I've seen the increase in performance low stroke rate, high power rowing can provide when doing the L4 WP workouts. Two sets of questions:<br /><br />1) How do YOU do your 18 spm workouts? I'm particularly interested in the pace you row (or paces you row), how long the pieces are, how often you break, how you break (active/passive?), etc. If there is a way you structure these workouts based on your race objectives, current PBs, etc., it would be most informative.<br /><br />2) Based on the above, what would you recommend for someone like me in this regard, doing a similar kind of workout? Are there any indicators you use that I might be able to use, albeit at different times in my workout, using different paces, etc.?<br /><br />Thanks, Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays!<br /><br />-- Mark <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Just bumping this up ...

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 26th, 2005, 1:13 pm

Mark--<br /><br />At your stage of development, I think the WP should be great. If I were you, I'd stick with that. If you ever get to 6:40 or so for 2K, and your times plateau, what I am doing might become useful to you. Ask me then.<br /><br />Good luck.<br /><br />ranger

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » December 26th, 2005, 6:22 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 26 2005, 01:13 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Mark--<br /><br />At your stage of development, I think the WP should be great. If I were you, I'd stick with that. If you ever get to 6:40 or so for 2K, and your times plateau, what I am doing might become useful to you. Ask me then.<br /><br />Good luck.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Rich:<br /><br />Thanks for the kind wish of luck.<br /><br />All the same, I was looking for a little advice or information. I'm 47, and a pretty responsible and intelligent guy. I feel I'm qualified to make my own decisions on how to train. Others here, like Mike, Xeno, Paul, Gus, and a host of other accomplished rowers or coaches provide me, and everyone here, with information, advice, and counsel all the time.<br /><br />Regards ... Merry Christmas ... and Happy Holidays.<br /><br />-- Mark

[old] rick-the-chemist · Post by **[old] rick-the-chemist** » December 27th, 2005, 7:00 pm

Ranger<br /><br />Any chance you could elaborate on the 18-item motor test thing pls<br /><br />Thanks <br /><br />Rick

[old] rowan · Post by **[old] rowan** » December 30th, 2005, 9:28 am

Interesting stuff about Bannister and his lack of general physical prowess (except for running, of course).<br />Talking about lack of full body conditioning, check out this pic of Michael Rasmussen:<br /><img src='http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/r ... rasjpg.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br />Yikes!<br />Amazing that this guy is an ex mountain bike world champion (1999), 7th in this years Tour de France and best climber etc ... a real elite athlete.<br />I've also seen a pic of Tyler Hamilton looking like a concentration camp inmate - unbelievably thin. Seems quite common in cycling.

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » December 30th, 2005, 11:09 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(rowan @ Dec 30 2005, 02:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Interesting stuff about Bannister and his lack of general physical prowess (except for running, of course).<br />Talking about lack of full body conditioning, check out this pic of Michael Rasmussen:<br /><img src='http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/r ... rasjpg.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br />Yikes!<br />Amazing that this guy is an ex mountain bike world champion (1999), 7th in this years Tour de France and best climber etc ... a real elite athlete.<br />I've also seen a pic of Tyler Hamilton looking like a concentration camp inmate - unbelievably thin. Seems quite common in cycling. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Sports at the highest level has not much to do with healt. For a cyclist is every ounch more 1 ouch he/she wil have to carry allong. They don't need any muscle at all on their upperbody. The picture is a perfect example.<br /><br />Lance Armstrong became elite cyclist, after he lost a lot of weight too. This was not fat but mostly upperbodymuscle from his earlier triatlon carreer.<br />Another good example is Leontien van Morsel. She also starved herself almost to dead but it gave her Tour the France Victorie's. Later on she added some weight and wasn't able to do compeet at the highest level in the mountains anymore. <br />Her flatcourse speed stayed very well, she won several golden olympic medals.