Rod Freed

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 13th, 2005, 8:37 pm

What I find incredulous is that Caviston says he can't match any of Timm's times for the other nine events.<br /><br />SOMETHING IS AMISS!<br /><br />Kent Timm had a distance of 17285 for the hour in the 2005 season, which was a pace of 1:44.2 for 500 meters.<br /><br />That is 2k + 9.6 for Caviston. <br /><br />And he can't do that????<br /><br />My half marathon is at 2k + 6.8 !<br /><br />Good grief! <br /><br />Caviston should be able to do around 1:40.5 pace for the hour, which is over 17,900 meters.<br /><br />Anyway I will still put my money on Kent Timm to win the match race for one hour for three reasons. <br /><br />#1- Timm is used to doing all of the events and Caviston isn't. <br /><br />#2- Timm will go faster with competition and Caviston will fold with the pressure.<br /><br />#3- Timm's training is designed to be able to compete over distances, and Caviston's isn't.<br /><br />The results should be interesting and entertaining as well!

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 14th, 2005, 3:51 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Beware of the ones that do not talk or rank when you meet them in a race. </td></tr></table><br /><br />"Beware"?<br /><br />I am afraid I can't concern myself with "the other guy," Paul. I can only do the best I can. If someone right now can row, say, 6:20, as a 55-year-old lwt, then I say, "Nice job! Let's have beer and chat about how you did it. I need some pointers!"<br /><br />That would be over 20 seconds under Dennis' WR EIRC row! <br /><br />20 seconds is a lot.<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 14th, 2005, 3:55 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Freed still has 6 of the 10 fastest 50+ event performances of all time though. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm still working on it, John.<br /><br />Perhaps I am wrong in this, but I think I might still catch up to Freed's times in the distance rows.<br /><br />I have just learned to row.<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 14th, 2005, 4:03 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>There you go, just pop off a 500M in 1:26 at SR=44 (or less) and I'll be very inclined to believe that you are on track for your 6:24 2k </td></tr></table><br /><br />Nice to know.<br /><br />I'll work on it some every day. I'll see what I can come up with by the end of January or so.<br /><br />As I said, I have never practiced 500s. Didn't think it was worthwhile, given my s..t technique.<br /><br />I agree that it is a different matter when your technique is sorted out, though. Doing hard 500s is indeed great practice in quickness, agility, technical discipline, and endurance.<br /><br />It is one thing doing 44 spm with a short stroke that has no precise timing. It another thing entirely to keep a precisely timed big stroke constant at that rate.<br /><br />ranger

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » December 14th, 2005, 4:28 am

That is 2k + 9.6 for Caviston. <br /><br />And he can't do that????<br /><br />My half marathon is at 2k + 6.8 !<br /><br />Good grief! <br /><br /><br /><br />If you are that slow john a bit of speedtraining wouldn't do you harm. Pfffffffffffff a normal person loses 5 sec on the 5 k. I think you have 1 % fast twitch in your body. hahahaah <br />Look at worldrecord times/paces for a far comparison.

[old] cbrock · Post by **[old] cbrock** » December 14th, 2005, 5:17 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Dec 14 2005, 04:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>That is 2k + 9.6 for Caviston. <br /><br />And he can't do that????<br /><br />My half marathon is at 2k + 6.8 !<br /><br />Good grief! <br /><br /><br /><br />If you are slow john a bit off speedtraining wouldn,t do you harm. Pfffffffffffff a normal person loses 5 sec on the 5 k. I think you have 1 % fast twitch in your body. hahahaah <br />Look at worldrecord times/paces for a far comparison. <br /> </td></tr></table>

[old] cbrock · Post by **[old] cbrock** » December 14th, 2005, 5:36 am

Surely the easiest way to add credibility to "World Record" distances over 2k is for Concept2 to put on a distance event at each meet.<br /><br />I am sure that there is a lot of interest in the longer distances that concept2 for some reason have not tried to tap into.<br /><br />World Records should only be allowed under strict criteria as to weight and verification.<br /><br />Say the top 3 (2k) finishers in each category at the championship are invited to try out for the world record in longer distances.<br /><br />The distances could be rotated at each event. EG: 5k at Boston, 6k at BIRC and 10k at EURO.<br /><br />You could probably achieve this in only one or two additional races at the end of the day.<br /><br />I am sure that if they offered a cash prize of say $1000 for each world record most of the 2k placegetters would compete.<br /><br />I think it would be a fantastic end to the meet which would have tremendous crowd support. <br /><br /><br /><br />

[old] H_2O · Post by **[old] H_2O** » December 14th, 2005, 5:50 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(cbrock @ Dec 14 2005, 04:36 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Surely the easiest way to add credibility to "World Record" distances over 2k is for Concept2 to put on a distance event at each meet.<br /><br />I am sure that if they offered a cash prize of say $1000 for each world record most of the 2k placegetters would compete.<br /><br />I think it would be a fantastic end to the meet which would have tremendous crowd support. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />We ourselves should donate to make a cash prize gather itself.<br />I brought up this idea with no resonance at all which amazes me since forumites were willing to donate to buy a slide for John Rupp but won't donate to see Dwayne pull off a 5:48 or Ranger do a HM splitting 1:45.<br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 14th, 2005, 10:17 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 13 2005, 11:51 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Beware of the ones that do not talk or rank when you meet them in a race. </td></tr></table><br /><br />"Beware"?<br /><br />I am afraid I can't concern myself with "the other guy," Paul. I can only do the best I can. If someone right now can row, say, 6:20, as a 55-year-old lwt, then I say, "Nice job! Let's have beer and chat about how you did it. I need some pointers!"<br /><br />20 seconds is a lot.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />However you seem to talk about "the other guy" nearly all the time. <br /><br />I agree that we should only be concerned with what we are doing. The "beware" was being used only as a light reminder that there is always the unknown outside our own little world, not as a BEWARE, BEYOND THESE BORDERS THERE BE DRAGONS, AND SURE DEATH! <br /><br />I can recall many times when athletes have made it their sole purpose to "beat that guy" and then end up psychologically crushed when it didn't happen. They were even likely capable of it, but the focus was all wrong. If they remained internal and focused on their best performance, the "moment of doubt" would be overcome instead of given in to. IMO<br /><br />You really want to squeeze the most out of yourself in a race, well enter the M Open event, sure it's impossible to win, but you will be driven to a new level in the game by trying. Works in lots of sports.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 14th, 2005, 10:53 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>However you seem to talk about "the other guy" nearly all the time </td></tr></table><br /><br />Don't see anything wrong with talking about the other guy.<br /><br />The other guy doesn't have anything to do with my training or racing. My focus is indeed internal and just fine.<br /><br />What the other guy is doing is always a measure of achievement, though, and that is indeed fun to talk about, although that's as far as iit needs to go. Everyone likes jabber about competition, a good race, attempts to sete a new standard, ettc.<br /><br />Training is a day to day routine. Not much to talk about there. Just a lot of sweat. Achievement is social, as is most talk. Therefore, most talk is naturally more about achievement than the day to day routine.<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 14th, 2005, 11:03 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If they remained internal and focused on their best performance, the "moment of doubt" would be overcome instead of given in to </td></tr></table><br /><br />My races have been just fine, I think, and right in line with my training times (e.g., 8 x 500m, 3:30 rest at 2K - 3/4, 2K as 1K + 3.5, etc.).<br /><br />In fact, my 2K times, which are always races for me, because I don't do at home trials, are much better than my distance times, as John R. has been pointing out. <br /><br />You are suggesting otherwise?<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 14th, 2005, 11:13 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Caviston should be able to do around 1:40.5 pace for the hour, which is over 17,900 meters.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You're off the wall on this one, John. Mike should be able to do about 17.2K (1:45) for an hour, and I suspect he can. <br /><br />Eskild E. does about 18K (1:40) for an hour, but he is 5 seconds per 500 faster than Mike in the 2K.<br /><br />At "double the d, add 3," an hour row should be done at 2K + 9, if you have a nice balance between stroking power and endurance.<br /><br />Your 2K + 6.8 for an hour just underlines that, like Freed, ya ain't got no umph. You're out of balance toward the side of a weak stroke. <br /><br />Mike C. works hard on his stroking power. It shows.<br /><br />ranger

[old] johnnybike · Post by **[old] johnnybike** » December 14th, 2005, 11:23 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 13 2005, 07:37 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />My half marathon is at 2k + 6.8 ! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />John,<br /><br />I find it hard to tell from your sig whether your 2K PB is 7:24 or 7:29. Either way it is woefully weak compared to your much better performances over the distance stuff. IMHO of course. No disrespect intended

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 14th, 2005, 12:06 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 14 2005, 06:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Everyone likes jabber about competition, a good race, attempts to sete a new standard, ettc.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />If that were the case, you would have many more admirers. Not that you would care about such a thing.<br /><br />I'll point to your failure to even participate at an event that you travelled a long way for as giving in to the "moment of doubt", or was that for a different reason?<br /><br />Perhaps you think I have some sort of ill will toward you, quite the contrary, I've been consistently persistent in doing what I can to be of assistance in your pursuit. And in spite of you thinking you are "unique", you are just like many high performance athletes, the exact things that make them difficult to deal with are what allow them to reach heights previously unattained, as coaches we "deal with it".<br /><br />If you fail to produce on race day, even though we have no relationship other than forum interaction, I would be wondering how even that little bit of interaction could have changed that for the better. I like to see and talk about exceptional performances, but the speculation on them is not much more than slightly entertaining for the first 100 times or so.

[old] R S T · Post by **[old] R S T** » December 14th, 2005, 12:28 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 14 2005, 04:06 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 14 2005, 06:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Everyone likes jabber about competition, a good race, attempts to sete a new standard, ettc.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />If that were the case, you would have many more admirers. Not that you would care about such a thing.<br /><br />I'll point to your failure to even participate at an event that you travelled a long way for as giving in to the "moment of doubt", or was that for a different reason?<br /><br />Perhaps you think I have some sort of ill will toward you, quite the contrary, I've been consistently persistent in doing what I can to be of assistance in your pursuit. And in spite of you thinking you are "unique", you are just like many high performance athletes, the exact things that make them difficult to deal with are what allow them to reach heights previously unattained, as coaches we "deal with it".<br /><br />If you fail to produce on race day, even though we have no relationship other than forum interaction, I would be wondering how even that little bit of interaction could have changed that for the better. I like to see and talk about exceptional performances, but the speculation on them is not much more than slightly entertaining for the first 100 times or so. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Ranger - why not use the services of a coach? Or are you *too* set in your ways to take advice from others?<br /><br />I think you could benefit from coaching......all top sportspeople do. <br /><br />Cheers<br />Richard<br /><br /><br /><br />