Rod Freed

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 8th, 2005, 7:33 pm

There were no 10k's around at that time. The tracks were in yards, so any races were 6 miles, and not the same as a 10k. The marathon is either 26 miles 385 yards, or else 42195 meters. It comes out to the same distance either way.

[old] Samroot · Post by **[old] Samroot** » December 8th, 2005, 7:43 pm

John, just a simple 2k would suffice. Oh no! I feel a premonition coming on. Rod Freed is really Keyser Soze,the urban legend. I'll wakeup from a nightmare that Kevin Spacey is cranking out a 1/2 marathon on a C2 next to me bed,yapping at me the whole time for doubting his legitimacy. In a cold sweat,I'll get up at 0330 and go down and row 10k pennance in the basement and try and purge the image from my mind.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 8th, 2005, 7:47 pm

Sam, Rod Freed has the World Records for the following events: 5k 6k 30 minutes 10k 60 minutes half marathon Why should he do a 2k?

[old] joanvb · Post by **[old] joanvb** » December 8th, 2005, 7:56 pm

Why wouldn't he? A 50-59 lightweight male who could row a 2K even at that 5K pace (1:40.6/500m) would have easily won his event in Long Beach any of those years.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 8th, 2005, 8:17 pm

Rod Freed has the World Records for the following events: 5k 6k 30 minutes 10k 60 minutes half marathon Why should he waste his time with a 2k?

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 8th, 2005, 8:40 pm

Let's see if we can get a hatrick.... There are no "World Records" for any Erging distance other than 5 miles (model A), 2500m (model B ), 2000m (Model C & D).

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » December 8th, 2005, 9:20 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 9 2005, 01:17 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rod Freed has the World Records for the following events: 5k 6k 30 minutes 10k 60 minutes half marathon Why should he waste his time with a 2k? </td></tr></table> Hi John, when did C2 first insist that WR have to be verified. If it was recent (and honestly I dont know) does that mean that anyone a few years back could have listed a time and have it recognised as a World Record. Admit I have not been following this thread but I find it hard to believe that someone who has been accredited with 6 world records has never had them verified in any way. George

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » December 8th, 2005, 9:25 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 9 2005, 01:17 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Why should he waste his time with a 2k? </td></tr></table> Only reason I could think is that it is the only distance that is universally recognised as being the 'standard' by which all rowers (essentially indoor and out) are measured. The others may be world bests, but the lack of scrutineering as to their veracity do not quite have same kudo's as a race set 2k. I agree each to their own, but it is unusual for someone to dominate every distance down to but not including the 'gold' standard distance. cheers George

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 8th, 2005, 10:14 pm

George, Not everyone is the same, thank goodness. What if the only event was 100 meters? How uninspiring that would be. When I first got the rowing machine and read the newsletter, I thought most rowers were very lazy, as the standard distance is only 2000 meters and no distance events. Also they suggested rowing at 22 strokes per minute. That is one of the reasons I didn't use the machine for a long time. I like the events from 5k through half marathon, and find them far more inspiring and worthwhile than a 2k. Maybe Freed is the same way. I don't know. Just think if the only track event was a mile. Yikes! People don't travel to New York, Chicago, London, Berlin and many other places around the world to run 100 meters, a mile, or a 2k. But they do to run a marathon. Going to an event to just row a 2k is most of the time just not worth it. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that rowing is not very popular. The sport is stuck, in a rut.

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » December 8th, 2005, 10:17 pm

I agree John, did you know the answer to what constitues a WR in the way of verification in this sport - apart from what C2 did this year tks

[old] Citroen · Post by **[old] Citroen** » December 9th, 2005, 3:42 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(george nz @ Dec 9 2005, 01:25 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Only reason I could think is that it is the only distance that is universally recognised as being the 'standard' by which all rowers (essentially indoor and out) are measured. </td></tr></table> Being pedantic is there any other state than "indoor or out"? Is there an indeterminent state (like Schrödinger's cat) that is neither indoors or outdoors?

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 9th, 2005, 4:05 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 8 2005, 06:47 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Sam, Rod Freed has the World Records for the following events: 5k 6k 30 minutes 10k 60 minutes half marathon Why should he do a 2k? </td></tr></table> Why? If he can row a 6:39 2K, he would now set the 55-59 lwt WR by quite a margin, almost two seconds. ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 9th, 2005, 4:08 am

I think that Freed would also find a very interested and admiring community if he came out to the races, too. His distance times are so fantastic that he might be an important mentor for the rest of us who can't imagine how we might do a 5K at 2K pace or a 10K at 2K + 2. Being curious about these things, I e-mailed Freed once at his academic address, asking him about his rowing, but he didn't reply. ranger

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » December 9th, 2005, 6:27 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 9 2005, 09:08 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I think that Freed would also find a very interested and admiring community if he came out to the races, too. His distance times are so fantastic that he might be an important mentor for the rest of us who can't imagine how we might do a 5K at 2K pace or a 10K at 2K + 2. Being curious about these things, I e-mailed Freed once at his academic address, asking him about his rowing, but he didn't reply. ranger </td></tr></table> a 10 k just 2 seconds above 2 k pace. Simply not possible. Use a bit of common sence. Offcause he didn't reply, I think he can't stop laughing about the hole fairytail.

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » December 9th, 2005, 6:40 am

[quote=John Rupp,Dec 9 2005, 03:14 AM] George, Not everyone is the same, thank goodness. What if the only event was 100 meters? How uninspiring that would be. When I first got the rowing machine and read the newsletter, I thought most rowers were very lazy, as the standard distance is only 2000 meters and no distance events. Also they suggested rowing at 22 strokes per minute. That is one of the reasons I didn't use the machine for a long time. I like the events from 5k through half marathon, and find them far more inspiring and worthwhile than a 2k. Maybe Freed is the same way. I don't know. Just think if the only track event was a mile. Yikes! People don't travel to New York, Chicago, London, Berlin and many other places around the world to run 100 meters, a mile, or a 2k. But they do to run a marathon. Going to an event to just row a 2k is most of the time just not worth it. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that rowing is not very popular. The sport is stuck, in a rut. Why choose most people not to compeet on most common events? As the one you mention? Very simply. It takes a lot of pure talent to compeet on those events. Offcause you have to train a lot also, but the main thing is youre pure talent. Most people don,t have talent so they stay far away to avoid the confrontation. The choose event's in wich the can train en feel fine. This had nothing to do with real (top)sports. There is nothing wrong in doing this but is't no more than spending your free time. It's no special thing. Special things are. 100 in 10 sec a marathon in 2.10 100 free stroke in less than 50 sec. 2000 k rowing in 5.50 enz not running a marathon in 4 hours. althoug it may be fun for the person himself. It nothing special.

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