Everyone is in agreement with this indeed simple and obvious form cue, but it is unresponsive to the OP question.ArmandoChavezUNC wrote: ↑March 7th, 2022, 8:22 pmYou guys/gals are really overthinking what is a very simple concept.
If you don't get the hands and body over before breaking the knees, then you MUST lift the arms over your knees otherwise you'll slam into them.
Does (why) form during recovery matter?
Re: Does (why) form during recovery matter?
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Re: Does (why) form during recovery matter?
"Can someone explain to me whether/why it matters that during recovery, you put your arms away first, then swing the core, and then bend knees, i.e., the exact opposite of the drive?"
That is exactly what my response answered. Don't be so dense.
That is exactly what my response answered. Don't be so dense.
PBs: 2k 6:09.0 (2020), 6k 19:38.9 (2020), 10k 33:55.5 (2019), 60' 17,014m (2018), HM 1:13:27.5 (2019)
Old PBs: LP 1:09.9 (~2010), 100m 16.1 (~2010), 500m 1:26.7 (~2010), 1k 3:07.0 (~2010)
Old PBs: LP 1:09.9 (~2010), 100m 16.1 (~2010), 500m 1:26.7 (~2010), 1k 3:07.0 (~2010)
Re: Does (why) form during recovery matter?
Gotta agree with you on that. You did actually pretty straight up answer the original question. (Though I do think others have said pretty much the same already.)ArmandoChavezUNC wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 9:11 am"Can someone explain to me whether/why it matters that during recovery, you put your arms away first, then swing the core, and then bend knees, i.e., the exact opposite of the drive?"
That is exactly what my response answered. Don't be so dense.
My take is that at high spm I haven't even got time for a full stroke and have to shorten it a touch, never mind go through the palaver of trying to get my hands up and over my knees in a 'wave'.
Age 52....Weight 61 Kg....
Row 26 Aug 21 to Mar 22. Cycle Mar 22 to Jun 24. Now mixing the 2.
2K 8.02.3 (23 Oct 21)...7.37.0(15 Mar 22)
5K 22.14 (2 Oct 21)
Resting HR 45 (was 48 in 2021)....Max HR (Seen) 182 [185 cycling]
Row 26 Aug 21 to Mar 22. Cycle Mar 22 to Jun 24. Now mixing the 2.
2K 8.02.3 (23 Oct 21)...7.37.0(15 Mar 22)
5K 22.14 (2 Oct 21)
Resting HR 45 (was 48 in 2021)....Max HR (Seen) 182 [185 cycling]
Re: Does (why) form during recovery matter?
First let me say that I agree with the idea that good form is most likely to be "best", be that due to efficiency gains or whatever. Although its been thought through for OTW it looks good and serves well for OTE.
However, exactly how much you lose by doing stuff wrong OTE is often a moot point. Tony C started a thread a while back about being beaten in the 2k championship by a Scandanavian who's form was "non-classic" but nevertheless translated to around a 6:20 2k IIRC. I watched that race. Far from getting his shins vertical at the catch, they barely raised to 45 degrees. So the argument is either how much faster he'd have been if he did it properly, or that he's found the best way for him to maximise his potential despite an apparent compromise.
My form is poor. I bend my knees too early and have a daft up and down wave of the handle/hands as a consequence. Its what the OP refered to as doing all three bits together not as a sequence, and its what I've done for so long its too hard to change now. Who knows how much better I would have been with classic form - or not! What I can say is that it does not impede my stroke rate, contrary to suggestions above. My 1 min PB was set at r50 and good enough for 6th (of 483) in the 60+ rankings. But a long way behind 1st...so maybe that's where there's room for improvement - who knows?
However, exactly how much you lose by doing stuff wrong OTE is often a moot point. Tony C started a thread a while back about being beaten in the 2k championship by a Scandanavian who's form was "non-classic" but nevertheless translated to around a 6:20 2k IIRC. I watched that race. Far from getting his shins vertical at the catch, they barely raised to 45 degrees. So the argument is either how much faster he'd have been if he did it properly, or that he's found the best way for him to maximise his potential despite an apparent compromise.
My form is poor. I bend my knees too early and have a daft up and down wave of the handle/hands as a consequence. Its what the OP refered to as doing all three bits together not as a sequence, and its what I've done for so long its too hard to change now. Who knows how much better I would have been with classic form - or not! What I can say is that it does not impede my stroke rate, contrary to suggestions above. My 1 min PB was set at r50 and good enough for 6th (of 483) in the 60+ rankings. But a long way behind 1st...so maybe that's where there's room for improvement - who knows?
Mike - 67 HWT 183