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[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 4th, 2005, 9:58 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(remador @ Nov 4 2005, 03:51 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Some more stuff:<br /><br /><a href='http://www.yorkshirerowing.co.uk/biomechanics.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.yorkshirerowing.co.uk/biomec ... htm</a><br /><br />AM <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks, excellent resources!<br /><br />I guess figure 14 settles the S10PS argument quite nicely doesn't it? <br /><br />Though producing the Force Profile of the 1:36/36, Strapless and 1:36/32 would really indicate something much better.

[old] Byron Drachman · Post by **[old] Byron Drachman** » November 4th, 2005, 10:19 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(remador @ Nov 4 2005, 06:51 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Some more stuff:<br /><br /><a href='http://www.yorkshirerowing.co.uk/biomechanics.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.yorkshirerowing.co.uk/biomec ... htm</a><br /><br />AM <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks for that posting. It makes me want to try a sliding rigger. Have you ever used one?<br /><br />Byron<br />

[old] remador · Post by **[old] remador** » November 4th, 2005, 10:50 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Thanks for that posting. It makes me want to try a sliding rigger. Have you ever used one? </td></tr></table><br /><br />No, Byron I haven't; I'd like to try, also.<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I guess figure 14 settles the S10PS argument quite nicely doesn't it? </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sorry, Paul, I don't know what S10PS means .<br /><br />AM

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » November 4th, 2005, 11:06 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 3 2005, 06:56 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Paul,<br /><br />Sorry that you are on medication again, and got injured doing low pulls. <br /><br />Hope all will be well again soon. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />This would be the perfect time to move this part of the conversation to the 'John area' (the thread that was started to 'help' John through times like this). That way it doesn't clutter up the intelligent conversation that is trying to be done on this thread.

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » November 4th, 2005, 12:44 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(remador @ Nov 4 2005, 04:50 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Sorry, Paul, I don't know what S10PS means . <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><a href='http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?a ... st&p=29795' target='_blank'>To help you get your memory filled again.</a> <br /><br />It is wonderful to reread all of this.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 4th, 2005, 12:51 pm

Dwayne,<br /><br />A better idea would be to start a thread for PaulS.<br /><br />By the way have you set any goals for your next competition?

[old] remador · Post by **[old] remador** » November 4th, 2005, 1:02 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>To help you get your memory filled again. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks, Godfried! I just didn't knew what the first "s" was all about! <br /><br />AM

[old] remador · Post by **[old] remador** » November 4th, 2005, 1:25 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Figure 14 settles the S10PS argument quite nicely doesn't it? </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Yeah, now that I understood what S10PS meant, I think it's a nice confirmation. About 10,1m/stroke, or so.<br /><br />AM

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 4th, 2005, 2:22 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(remador @ Nov 4 2005, 09:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Figure 14 settles the S10PS argument quite nicely doesn't it? </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Yeah, now that I understood what S10PS meant, I think it's a nice confirmation. About 10,1m/stroke, or so.<br /><br />AM <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />From the second article you listed:<br /><br />"The leg drive is considered to be the major contributor to propulsion during rowing and therefore high knee extensor strength is also advantageous (Kramer et. al. 1991). Knee extensor strength may be symmetrical or asymmetrical depending on whether the athlete is a sweep rower (two oars used bilaterally) or a sculler (one oar used unilaterally)." <br /><br />Ooops! <br /><br />Rowers should not let non-rowers write research papers on Rowing. <br /><br />I should have recognized that Dutch (Isometric) Study from Rowing Faster (Nolte), though being from 1975 it would be good to dig up the original research so that the methodology could be seen.<br /><br />While I can accept that Olympic Rowers would produce the Highest isometric forces among rowers, I bet we could come up with some folks that could produce higher isometric forces that would not be useful in a rowing boat. This is why I would favor the Isokinetic measurements gathered during the actual rowing motion.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 4th, 2005, 3:41 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 4 2005, 10:22 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />From the second article you listed:<br /><br />"The leg drive is considered to be the major contributor to propulsion during rowing"[right] </td></tr></table><br />Paul,<br /><br />Do you feel weights are advantageous for building leg strength, useful for improvement of rowing performances?<br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 4th, 2005, 5:06 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 4 2005, 11:41 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Paul,<br /><br />Do you feel weights are advantageous for building leg strength, useful for improvement of rowing performances? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Weight training can be used to increase leg strength. That strength could be used to improve rowing/erging performances if the legs can be used quickly enough to apply additional force and the body can support the additional load being provided by the legs, transmitting it through the handle to the Blade or Flywheel.<br /><br />I know that some hard work on the legs increased my performance on the Erg and in a Boat. Perhaps even so much that even today, many years after not having done further leg work, there are few that can match the peak force that I am able to apply.<br /><br />Why do you ask?

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 4th, 2005, 5:20 pm

Thanks.<br /><br />I asked because am interested in building that strength, provided it translates to the erg.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 4th, 2005, 5:33 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 4 2005, 01:20 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Thanks.<br /><br />I asked because am interested in building that strength, provided it translates to the erg. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You're welcome.<br /><br />Bartender! Give me one of whatever he's having!

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 4th, 2005, 5:39 pm

[old] Yoda1 · Post by **[old] Yoda1** » November 4th, 2005, 7:59 pm

Yo John,<br /><br />Why don't you build yourself a horizontal leg press. You can build from used 2x4's. It will take up about as much space as the ERG. You could sit them side by side. Or next to the homemade Total Gym you built.<br /><br />Yoda

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