Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

[joe80]

The MAD team has continued on its winning ways and scored a fourth consecutive victory in the August challenge. Great stuff!
The Diamonds floated a remarkable flotilla of 17 boats more than doubling the count of the next team.
RowPro Rowers are at the head of the Challengers list but can't be awarded the December event because they didn't float a boat in August. Free Spirits and MAD are tied on 42 points; the challenge goes to MAD because they have waited a month longer since the previous nomination.
Future Challenges:
October - The Chain Pullers
November - The Diamonds
December - The MAD Team





Regards,
Joe

[petersra]

Can you please create a team called Club Row Crew?

[Citroen]

Can you please create a team called Club Row Crew?

Done.

[joe80]

Richard from The Chain Pullers has communicated the Challenge for October:
“12 Minutes in pieces”
This challenge was chosen by The Chain Pullers
Row
2 minute Row
1 minute rest
2 minute Row
1 minute rest
2 minute Row
1 minute rest
2 minute Row
1 minute rest
2 minute Row
1 minute rest
2 minute Row
Record total meters rowed
Standing start for all 2 Minute intervals – Any meters recorded in the rest time must be subtracted from the total.

It will be interesting to compare the total distance from these intervals with the September 12 minutes.

Regards,
Joe

[AnnaRaeGreen]

Richard from The Chain Pullers has communicated the Challenge for October:

Standing start for all 2 Minute intervals – Any meters recorded in the rest time must be subtracted from the total.

Hello:

Can you confirm that this means that you must let the flywheel come to a stop during the rest interval and the flywheel must be stopped when the rest interval timer counts down to zero before you start pulling for the next interval.

Thank you - and apologies for a question to clarify something that is likely obvious for most on the forum.

Anna Rae

[CaseyClarke]

Richard from The Chain Pullers has communicated the Challenge for October:

Standing start for all 2 Minute intervals – Any meters recorded in the rest time must be subtracted from the total.

Hello:

Can you confirm that this means that you must let the flywheel come to a stop during the rest interval and the flywheel must be stopped when the rest interval timer counts down to zero before you start pulling for the next interval.

Thank you - and apologies for a question to clarify something that is likely obvious for most on the forum.

Anna Rae

Yes & no answer to this.

Obviously the rules say standing starts, although the flywheel wouldn’t have come to a complete stop during the one minute rest.

If you do inadvertently start pulling early, ie 0:03 to go on the countdown, then that’s just going to add extra ‘rest’ metres onto the total you’ll need to deduct, so there’s really no point in penalising yourself.

This would include the obvious one of not actively rowing during the rest period, as you’ll just clock up more metres which will need to be deducted.

[joe80]

Richard from The Chain Pullers has communicated the Challenge for October:

Standing start for all 2 Minute intervals – Any meters recorded in the rest time must be subtracted from the total.

Hello:

Can you confirm that this means that you must let the flywheel come to a stop during the rest interval and the flywheel must be stopped when the rest interval timer counts down to zero before you start pulling for the next interval.

Thank you - and apologies for a question to clarify something that is likely obvious for most on the forum.

Anna Rae

During any indoor rowing competitions that I have attended, the interval between the 'Put your handles down' and 'Row' commands has been less than a minute. Even though the flywheel may be moving, there's very little residual energy. You can see that because metres stop being added after about ten seconds of not rowing.

For the purposes of this challenge, stop rowing at the completion of each work interval and resume when the remaining rest seconds hit zero.

Regards,
Joe

[joe80]

I've contacted Richard from the Chain Pullers to clarify an aspect of the challenge which was a bit ambiguous. If you row, say, 3,500 metres during the six work intervals and accrue 250 metres during the rests, you should log 3,500 - 250 i.e 3,250 metres for the challenge.

The easiest way to set this up on the PM is 'Intervals Time' with work efforts of 2 mins and rest at 1 min. After six such efforts, the logcard will show both the total distance rowed during the efforts and, as an 'r' footnote, the distance rowed during the rests.

The session poses an interesting strategic question. Is it better to stop rowing a few seconds before the end of the work interval and lose some distance but not accrue as many rest metres?

Regards,
Joe

[CaseyClarke]

The session poses an interesting strategic question. Is it better to stop rowing a few seconds before the end of the work interval and lose some distance but not accrue as many rest metres?

I had a play with it yesterday to test it out. Experimented with taking the final stroke of the 2 minute rep 4 seconds from the end, versus taking it 2 seconds from the end. Definitely accrue more ‘rest’ metres taking it 2 seconds from the end, so yes, strategically it’s better to pull the final stroke about 4-5 seconds out from the end.

Managed to do the whole session and only accrue 74m of rest, which still worked out to be equivalent of around 2 splits /500m, which seems like quite a big deduction from monitor score to scoreboard score?!

[Citroen]

If you do inadvertently start pulling early, ie 0:03 to go on the countdown, then that’s just going to add extra ‘rest’ metres onto the total you’ll need to deduct, so there’s really no point in penalising yourself.

I'm not sure that's always going to be true. There is a significant delay between the PM5 ending an interval and recording the first stroke of the new interval, it normally results in an absurd value for the initial pace rather than extra resting metres. Getting the difference between those extra resting metres and the absurd pace will be a fine balancing act.

I had a play with it yesterday to test it out. Experimented with taking the final stroke of the 2 minute rep 4 seconds from the end, versus taking it 2 seconds from the end. Definitely accrue more ‘rest’ metres taking it 2 seconds from the end, so yes, strategically it’s better to pull the final stroke about 4-5 seconds out from the end.

More playtime needed (with a four second gap at the end of each rep) to see how/if an early start affects resting metres.

[RayOfSunshine]

The session poses an interesting strategic question. Is it better to stop rowing a few seconds before the end of the work interval and lose some distance but not accrue as many rest metres?

I had a play with it yesterday to test it out. Experimented with taking the final stroke of the 2 minute rep 4 seconds from the end, versus taking it 2 seconds from the end. Definitely accrue more ‘rest’ metres taking it 2 seconds from the end, so yes, strategically it’s better to pull the final stroke about 4-5 seconds out from the end.

Managed to do the whole session and only accrue 74m of rest, which still worked out to be equivalent of around 2 splits /500m, which seems like quite a big deduction from monitor score to scoreboard score?!

Casey, where do you have the DF set?

[CaseyClarke]

Ray, 120 drag for when I did it a few days ago. Rate 24 cap, 1:40.8 average (3571m) and 73m of ‘rest’ to deduct from that, giving a scoreboard entry of 3498m / 1:42.9.


2.1/500m splits of loss after subtraction of rest metres which on paper seems like a lot. Need to get those rest metres down closer to 40-50m.

Great idea for a CTC but unfortunately will have dozens of entries where people haven’t read the rules and won’t do the subtraction.

[Mortie31]

The session poses an interesting strategic question. Is it better to stop rowing a few seconds before the end of the work interval and lose some distance but not accrue as many rest metres?

I had a play with it yesterday to test it out. Experimented with taking the final stroke of the 2 minute rep 4 seconds from the end, versus taking it 2 seconds from the end. Definitely accrue more ‘rest’ metres taking it 2 seconds from the end, so yes, strategically it’s better to pull the final stroke about 4-5 seconds out from the end.

Managed to do the whole session and only accrue 74m of rest, which still worked out to be equivalent of around 2 splits /500m, which seems like quite a big deduction from monitor score to scoreboard score?!

Wonder how this is going to work with ErgZone??

[abower2]

You know, if you have a PM5, you can program this as a 2' on/1' rest workout and it will just give you the sum meters for the 2' on time and give you separate rest meters (no need to do any complex maths). Then the only trick is that people have to be honest about letting the flywheel stop before starting the next 2' piece.

[CaseyClarke]

You know, if you have a PM5, you can program this as a 2' on/1' rest workout and it will just give you the sum meters for the 2' on time and give you separate rest meters (no need to do any complex maths). Then the only trick is that people have to be honest about letting the flywheel stop before starting the next 2' piece.

Session can be set using either Intervals: Time or Intervals: Variable.

The Intervals: Time option will give one value for overall rest metres accumulated. The Variable option gives a rest value after every rep.

This looks after itself. If you do happen to start early then you’ll just accumulate extra rest metres for deduction, so there’s really no point jumping the gun.