Video Clips Of Erg Rowing??

[old] gw1 · Post by **[old] gw1** » July 7th, 2005, 8:53 am

Jim,<br />The video is 20+mb, when i attempted to down load it to www.putfile.com, a pop-up appear stating the file was to big! Bill has given me another option, i'll try later from my other computer!<br />Thanks<br />Gary

[old] Jim Barry · Post by **[old] Jim Barry** » July 7th, 2005, 9:11 am

Yeah, putfile has a 10mb limit. I hope Bill comes through. Another option is to get Microsoft's "Plus" pack ($30) which has a good movie edit software. You can take lots of digital video but filter it down to the good stuff (you can add in slow motion effects too). I think the saved/edited movie tends to be a little better compressed as I recall. <br /><br /><br /><br />

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » July 7th, 2005, 10:02 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Matt Newman @ Jul 7 2005, 12:23 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Below: GIFarama of Thomas Carter - member of <b>Team Oarsome</b><br />This is the best quality GIFarama I have and the smoothest stroke of all the GIFarama's I have. <br /><br /><img src='http://mattn.uuhost.uk.uu.net/tccirc.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br /><br /><b>How are GIFarama's made?</b><br />Grabbed stills (regular frame intervals) of digital video, resaved as .gif, strung them together in Animation Shop & resized - that's it! Quality of some is quite poor as I only stayed on each rower for 2 seconds or so with camera in hand - if I did it again I'd use a tripod and stay of each erger for 4 secs or more to ensure a smooth GIFarama.<br /><br /><b>Want to see more GIFarama's?</b><br />Click on the famous <b>Team Oarsome </b>logo below.<br />It will take you to the <b>Team Oarsome</b> website - many of the photos of members on the home page take you to their individual pages - many of these have GIFaramas.<br /><br /><a href='http://mattn.uuhost.uk.uu.net/teamoarsome.htm' target='_blank'><img src='http://mattn.uuhost.uk.uu.net/to_taz_smaller.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a> <br /> </td></tr></table><br />For best technique my vote goes to this fellow.<br />XENO

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » July 7th, 2005, 10:17 am

[/quote]<br />For best technique my vote goes to this fellow.<br />XENO<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I am amazed at how "still" his head is throughout the stroke -- like a granite statue. Xeno, I can also see the "hinge from the hip" action that you recommend.<br /><br />-- Mark

[old] Coach Gus · Post by **[old] Coach Gus** » July 7th, 2005, 12:59 pm

[quote=mpukita,Jul 7 2005, 06:17 AM]<br />[/quote]<br />For best technique my vote goes to this fellow.<br />XENO<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I am amazed at how "still" his head is throughout the stroke -- like a granite statue. Xeno, I can also see the "hinge from the hip" action that you recommend.<br /><br />-- Mark <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Except that he drops his hands during recovery, his shins are past vertical at the catch and he starts to pull with his arms before his legs are extended. If he'd just clean up his technique he might really be good.<br />

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » July 7th, 2005, 1:04 pm

[quote=Coach Gus,Jul 7 2005, 12:59 PM]<br />[quote=mpukita,Jul 7 2005, 06:17 AM]<br />[/quote]<br />For best technique my vote goes to this fellow.<br />XENO<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I am amazed at how "still" his head is throughout the stroke -- like a granite statue. Xeno, I can also see the "hinge from the hip" action that you recommend.<br /><br />-- Mark <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Except that he drops his hands during recovery, his shins are past vertical at the catch and he starts to pull with his arms before his legs are extended. If he'd just clean up his technique he might really be good. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Gulp ... like I said, what do I know, I'm a rookie!<br /><br />

[old] daveojeda · Post by **[old] daveojeda** » July 7th, 2005, 5:08 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Matt Newman @ Jul 4 2005, 11:33 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Here's a GIFarama (they're well known in the UK ) of Sir Pirate's flawless technique:<br /><br /><img src='http://mattn.uuhost.uk.uu.net/pmcirc.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I really enjoyed watching this clip! It is easy to see him fully engage his legs before finishing the stroke with his arms. Is there anything wrong with his technique? Being a beginner I appreciate the clips and advise. <br /><br />DOes Sir Pirate have any other name? It would be great to see more videos of him.<br /><br />Thanks again for everyone contributing to this thread, it really helps us newbies.

[old] daveojeda · Post by **[old] daveojeda** » July 7th, 2005, 5:12 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Matt Newman @ Jul 6 2005, 11:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Below: GIFarama of Thomas Carter - member of <b>Team Oarsome</b><br />This is the best quality GIFarama I have and the smoothest stroke of all the GIFarama's I have. <br /><br /><img src='http://mattn.uuhost.uk.uu.net/tccirc.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br /><br /><b>How are GIFarama's made?</b><br />Grabbed stills (regular frame intervals) of digital video, resaved as .gif, strung them together in Animation Shop & resized - that's it! Quality of some is quite poor as I only stayed on each rower for 2 seconds or so with camera in hand - if I did it again I'd use a tripod and stay of each erger for 4 secs or more to ensure a smooth GIFarama.<br /><br /><b>Want to see more GIFarama's?</b><br />Click on the famous <b>Team Oarsome </b>logo below.<br />It will take you to the <b>Team Oarsome</b> website - many of the photos of members on the home page take you to their individual pages - many of these have GIFaramas.<br /><br /><a href='http://mattn.uuhost.uk.uu.net/teamoarsome.htm' target='_blank'><img src='http://mattn.uuhost.uk.uu.net/to_taz_smaller.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I notice a major diference in body lean both forward and back in the stroke, when compared to Sir Pirate. Can anyone tell me if one way is better or produces a more effient strike.<br /><br />Any help is apprecited!

[old] Coach Gus · Post by **[old] Coach Gus** » July 7th, 2005, 5:34 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(daveojeda @ Jul 7 2005, 01:12 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I notice a major diference in body lean both forward and back in the stroke, when compared to Sir Pirate. Can anyone tell me if one way is better or produces a more effient strike. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />When the gif was first posted there were quite a few comments about how upright Sir P is on the erg. Most recommended more lean at both ends of the stroke. I know Sir P has had some back problems and perhaps related flexibility issues. The common recommendation is for more lean than Phil uses. The ergers on both sides of him and the GIF of Thomas Carter show more conventional body lean. The problem with the GIF is it's of one stroke and we don't know the stroke rate. If a sprint was taking place for Sir P he may have shorten his stroke to up his rate for pace. The erg will allow a lot of technique variations. On water technique would definitely include more body lean.<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jul 7 2005, 09:04 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />Gulp ... like I said, what do I know, I'm a rookie!<br /><br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />While what I said was true, I was mostly kidding about them being flaws and, of course, he's very accomplished. Besides almost everyone seems to drop the hands over the knees on the erg. I'm sure he doesn't do the same thing on the water. Again as I said above, it's only one stroke and it's on the erg, which is very forgiving of technique.<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(daveojeda @ Jul 7 2005, 01:08 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />DOes Sir Pirate have any other name? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The Rowing God<br />Hywel's Idol<br />The Love Doctor<br />Phil (Something)<br /> <br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » July 7th, 2005, 6:23 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Coach Gus @ Jul 7 2005, 01:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>While what I said was true, I was mostly kidding about them being flaws and, of course, he's very accomplished. Besides almost everyone seems to drop the hands over the knees on the erg. I'm sure he doesn't do the same thing on the water. Again as I said above, it's only one stroke and it's on the erg, which is very forgiving of technique. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It was? I'm just not seeing what you pointed out. I'd wager that if he does row on water, he does pretty much what we're seeing on the Erg.

[old] Coach Gus · Post by **[old] Coach Gus** » July 7th, 2005, 7:43 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jul 7 2005, 02:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Coach Gus @ Jul 7 2005, 01:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>While what I said was true, I was mostly kidding about them being flaws and, of course, he's very accomplished. Besides almost everyone seems to drop the hands over the knees on the erg. I'm sure he doesn't do the same thing on the water. Again as I said above, it's only one stroke and it's on the erg, which is very forgiving of technique. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It was? I'm just not seeing what you pointed out. I'd wager that if he does row on water, he does pretty much what we're seeing on the Erg. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yep, it was. It takes a trained eye to notice, but I think you could see it if you worked at it. Run through his stroke a number of times paying attention to the angle of the chain might help regarding his hands dipping. Watch his arms begin to break between 47% and 52% of the drive while his legs are still driving. You can see his shins are just slightly past vertical at the catch. Use a straight edge to verify this. In my opinion all of of these erg related issues are minor items that often vary a little different every stroke. Unfortunately, it's also only one stroke, but if you can also look closely at his on water stroke (link on the same page as his erg demo) you will notice that unlike his erg stroke his hands stay very level during recovery (you might find it easier to watch the blades for their distance from the water) and for this stroke, at least, his shins appear to be vertical.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » July 7th, 2005, 8:34 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Coach Gus @ Jul 7 2005, 03:43 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Yep, it was. It takes a trained eye to notice, but I think you could see it if you worked at it. Run through his stroke a number of times paying attention to the angle of the chain might help regarding his hands dipping. Watch his arms begin to break between 47% and 52% of the drive while his legs are still driving. You can see his shins are just slightly past vertical at the catch. Use a straight edge to verify this. In my opinion all of of these erg related issues are minor items that often vary a little different every stroke. Unfortunately, it's also only one stroke, but if you can also look closely at his on water stroke (link on the same page as his erg demo) you will notice that unlike his erg stroke his hands stay very level during recovery (you might find it easier to watch the blades for their distance from the water) and for this stroke, at least, his shins appear to be vertical. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I couldn't find the water animation that you mention.<br /><br />because you insist, I've seperated the animation into it's 16 frames and that must be some "trained eye" you have. His drive is 7 frames and for 4 of them his arms are straight (57%?), and his leg drive is over in the 5th, when some arm bend becomes apparent.<br /><br />The angle of his shins is most likely impossible to determine with this video, but still not past vertical (frame 9), though he does collapse onto his knees more than he probably does in a boat.<br /><br />As for the hands, they certainly come down from where they finish (standard Erger handle flip), and he does make a small rise at the catch, but that's what we do to put the blade in the water, and is no indication of a dropping of the hands during the recovery.<br /><br />Is he one of your "trainees"?<br /><br />Happy training! I can put up a slower version of the animation if it would help.

[old] Coach Gus · Post by **[old] Coach Gus** » July 7th, 2005, 9:44 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jul 7 2005, 04:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />I couldn't find the water animation that you mention.<br /><br />because you insist, I've seperated the animation into it's 16 frames and that must be some "trained eye" you have. His drive is 7 frames and for 4 of them his arms are straight (57%?), and his leg drive is over in the 5th, when some arm bend becomes apparent.<br /><br />The angle of his shins is most likely impossible to determine with this video, but still not past vertical (frame 9), though he does collapse onto his knees more than he probably does in a boat.<br /><br />As for the hands, they certainly come down from where they finish (standard Erger handle flip), and he does make a small rise at the catch, but that's what we do to put the blade in the water, and is no indication of a dropping of the hands during the recovery.<br /><br />Is he one of your "trainees"?<br /><br />Happy training! I can put up a slower version of the animation if it would help. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />At first I was going to comment that it's not suprising you can't find the on water link either, but before I do I should make sure we're looking at the same "video." I used the link posted on page 1 of this thread. (It also has a link to a clip of your stroke.) It's more than 16 frames. The link to his on water stroke is at the top of the page:<br /><br /><a href='http://www.invernessrowingclub.co.uk/pe ... o_erg.html' target='_blank'>http://www.invernessrowingclub.co.uk/pe ... tml</a><br /><br />If you're looking at a different clip, I'd like to see it. Can you post the link?<br /><br />One of the things a coach should be able to do is find improper technique and help the athlete correct it.<br /><br />No he isn't one of my trainees. Perhaps he should be.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » July 7th, 2005, 11:17 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Coach Gus @ Jul 7 2005, 05:44 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jul 7 2005, 04:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />I couldn't find the water animation that you mention.<br /><br />because you insist, I've seperated the animation into it's 16 frames and that must be some "trained eye" you have. His drive is 7 frames and for 4 of them his arms are straight (57%?), and his leg drive is over in the 5th, when some arm bend becomes apparent.<br /><br />The angle of his shins is most likely impossible to determine with this video, but still not past vertical (frame 9), though he does collapse onto his knees more than he probably does in a boat.<br /><br />As for the hands, they certainly come down from where they finish (standard Erger handle flip), and he does make a small rise at the catch, but that's what we do to put the blade in the water, and is no indication of a dropping of the hands during the recovery.<br /><br />Is he one of your "trainees"?<br /><br />Happy training! I can put up a slower version of the animation if it would help. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />At first I was going to comment that it's not suprising you can't find the on water link either, but before I do I should make sure we're looking at the same "video." I used the link posted on page 1 of this thread. (It also has a link to a clip of your stroke.) It's more than 16 frames. The link to his on water stroke is at the top of the page:<br /><br /><a href='http://www.invernessrowingclub.co.uk/pe ... o_erg.html' target='_blank'>http://www.invernessrowingclub.co.uk/pe ... tml</a><br /><br />If you're looking at a different clip, I'd like to see it. Can you post the link?<br /><br />One of the things a coach should be able to do is find improper technique and help the athlete correct it.<br /><br />No he isn't one of my trainees. Perhaps he should be. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Ha, well that explains it, your talking about Xeno, not the guy that Xeno "voted for" as having the best technique of the Gifarama's (Thomas Carter). Maybe it's following the conversation that requires the training. <br /><br />Cheers!

[old] Coach Gus · Post by **[old] Coach Gus** » July 8th, 2005, 12:53 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jul 7 2005, 07:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Ha, well that explains it, your talking about Xeno, not the guy that Xeno "voted for" as having the best technique of the Gifarama's (Thomas Carter). Maybe it's following the conversation that requires the training. <br /><br />Cheers! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />AH HA! That explains it. I read it completely different. The quotes within quotes threw me off. I thought the comment was that Xeno had the best form, but it was Xeno saying Thomas Carter had the best form of the posted Gifs. My apology to you for the confusion and "forcing" you to take the time to analyze the Carter stroke trying to figure out what the heck I was talking about. I agree with Xeno. I also think Carter had the best form of the bunch from an "on the water" viewpoint. It may also be an efficient erg stroke, but not necessarily the fastest.<br /><br />Again my apologies to Paul and any others that were having a hard time following my mistaken comments.<br />

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