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MartinSH4321
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by MartinSH4321 » December 21st, 2020, 11:39 am
KeithT wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 9:27 am
Crushed my
HM PB by almost a minute with a
1:19:19!
After Stu's crushing of a couple HMs I said I needed to do one and shoot to break 1:20 - so decided to give it a try yesterday. This may be my biggest shock of a PB ever as I crushed the one I did just a couple months ago and I hadn't tapered or anything - just did CTC and another hard row Thursday. Then I think I had quite a bit more. Though I always start out too fast, that was my plan for this HM. I decided I would do the first 10K at a 1:52 pace and then I could do the rest at a 1:55ish and beat the 1:20 goal. Well, I went even faster for the first 10K and then did OK in the third 5K and was actually right at 1:52 thru 15K. Here I did slow to 1:55 even though I was doing OK, I was tired and hurting but OK. I did start to get the mind games telling me to stop but seeing on the monitor that I could actually fall to an even slower pace and break 1:20 I knew I could hang on. I stayed conservative until very end but then was pulling in the 1:30s for last few hundred meters. When done I was tired and in typical discomfort but not devastated. So, I could have started going faster sooner or I could have held to more like a 1:53/1:54 in the 4th 5K. I never beat a PB by this much and also not felt crushed - again, a couple days after a two hard rows....makes no sense but I will take it!
Time /Mtrs/Pace/SPM
1:19:19.8/21097/1:52.8/23
18:34.8/5000/1:51.4/24
18:35.8/10000/1:51.5/24
18:55.4/15000/1:53.5/23
19:11.9/20000/1:55.1/23
4:01.8/21097/1:50.2/24
Wow, great effort and well deserved!
And as you weren't crushed at the end you're capable of sub 1:19 for sure. So you have another milestone to beat next time, not bad!
I'll go for another HM PB this weekend I think and will go for sub 1:20 too, but now you're definitely out of reach
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42
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KeithT
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by KeithT » December 21st, 2020, 11:54 am
MartinSH4321 wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 11:39 am
KeithT wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 9:27 am
Crushed my
HM PB by almost a minute with a
1:19:19!
After Stu's crushing of a couple HMs I said I needed to do one and shoot to break 1:20 - so decided to give it a try yesterday. This may be my biggest shock of a PB ever as I crushed the one I did just a couple months ago and I hadn't tapered or anything - just did CTC and another hard row Thursday. Then I think I had quite a bit more. Though I always start out too fast, that was my plan for this HM. I decided I would do the first 10K at a 1:52 pace and then I could do the rest at a 1:55ish and beat the 1:20 goal. Well, I went even faster for the first 10K and then did OK in the third 5K and was actually right at 1:52 thru 15K. Here I did slow to 1:55 even though I was doing OK, I was tired and hurting but OK. I did start to get the mind games telling me to stop but seeing on the monitor that I could actually fall to an even slower pace and break 1:20 I knew I could hang on. I stayed conservative until very end but then was pulling in the 1:30s for last few hundred meters. When done I was tired and in typical discomfort but not devastated. So, I could have started going faster sooner or I could have held to more like a 1:53/1:54 in the 4th 5K. I never beat a PB by this much and also not felt crushed - again, a couple days after a two hard rows....makes no sense but I will take it!
Time /Mtrs/Pace/SPM
1:19:19.8/21097/1:52.8/23
18:34.8/5000/1:51.4/24
18:35.8/10000/1:51.5/24
18:55.4/15000/1:53.5/23
19:11.9/20000/1:55.1/23
4:01.8/21097/1:50.2/24
Wow, great effort and well deserved!
And as you weren't crushed at the end you're capable of sub 1:19 for sure. So you have another milestone to beat next time, not bad!
I'll go for another HM PB this weekend I think and will go for sub 1:20 too, but now you're definitely out of reach
Thanks Martin! Good luck if you do this weekend - everything is pointing to you being able to get sub 1:20.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » December 21st, 2020, 11:57 am
KeithT wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 10:35 am
Yeah, it's weird, having the target of Sub 1:20 helped me a lot but also might had me hold back at the 15K mark as I knew I was going to hit it at the slower pace. I considered picking up the pace at one point but then was a little worried as it was unchartered territory for me and didn't want to blow up. Like in the marathon I had "waves" of feeling like I wanted to stop along with ones of thinking I had this no problem.
That doesn't surprise me at all, as I had mental wrestles with my recent fast HM, and I considered trying for a PB on about five occasions but each time I wasn't convinced it was a good idea or that I wouldn't blow up.
Those moments of self doubt are exactly what you need to train, and prepare, for. The physical adaptation is clearly a considerable part of it, but mentally adapting, and accepting what you're going to feel, is equally important imo. If you've never rode (rowed
) those waves of doubt, they can easily derail you.
We are essentially a massive collection of memories and preconceptions; challenging them is never a simple process.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » December 21st, 2020, 11:59 am
MartinSH4321 wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 11:39 am
I'll go for another HM PB this weekend I think and will go for sub 1:20 too, but now you're definitely out of reach
Don't underestimate your potential Martin. Sub 80 isn't unthinkable. It will be tough, but we all do this precisely because of that reason
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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nick rockliff
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by nick rockliff » December 21st, 2020, 2:05 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 9:27 am
Crushed my
HM PB by almost a minute with a
1:19:19!
After Stu's crushing of a couple HMs I said I needed to do one and shoot to break 1:20 - so decided to give it a try yesterday. This may be my biggest shock of a PB ever as I crushed the one I did just a couple months ago and I hadn't tapered or anything - just did CTC and another hard row Thursday. Then I think I had quite a bit more. Though I always start out too fast, that was my plan for this HM. I decided I would do the first 10K at a 1:52 pace and then I could do the rest at a 1:55ish and beat the 1:20 goal. Well, I went even faster for the first 10K and then did OK in the third 5K and was actually right at 1:52 thru 15K. Here I did slow to 1:55 even though I was doing OK, I was tired and hurting but OK. I did start to get the mind games telling me to stop but seeing on the monitor that I could actually fall to an even slower pace and break 1:20 I knew I could hang on. I stayed conservative until very end but then was pulling in the 1:30s for last few hundred meters. When done I was tired and in typical discomfort but not devastated. So, I could have started going faster sooner or I could have held to more like a 1:53/1:54 in the 4th 5K. I never beat a PB by this much and also not felt crushed - again, a couple days after a two hard rows....makes no sense but I will take it!
Time /Mtrs/Pace/SPM
1:19:19.8/21097/1:52.8/23
18:34.8/5000/1:51.4/24
18:35.8/10000/1:51.5/24
18:55.4/15000/1:53.5/23
19:11.9/20000/1:55.1/23
4:01.8/21097/1:50.2/24
The HM is always a good one to set a PB. Probably not the best way to pace it but seems to work for you. Well done.
67 6' 4" 108kg
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6
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hjs
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by hjs » December 21st, 2020, 2:47 pm
Congrats Keith, bit gingerly on the pacing
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Dino
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by Dino » December 21st, 2020, 3:03 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 9:27 am
Crushed my
HM PB by almost a minute with a
1:19:19!
Jack of all trades... master of... them all!
Super result Keith.
56M HWT
50+PB 1m 326m, 500m 1:38,7, 1k 3:31.6, 2k 7:16.8, 5k 19:06.6, 6k 23:26.0, 30m 7730m, 10k 39:26.1, 60m 15025m, HM 1:25:04.7, FM 2:59:26.0, 50k 3:49:17.3
A long way away from any of these PBs now!!
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Tony Cook
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by Tony Cook » December 21st, 2020, 3:57 pm
Was going to do a 4 x 2k WP L2 session tonight but tiring day and I knew that wasn’t in me during the warm up. Wanted to do some hard yards so set the PM for a 10k and thought about stopping at every 2k point. Pushed on through and could see the projected time of 36:30. Got to the end and knocked 50sec off my previous.
36:28.0 10,000m 1:49.4 267 1219 25 158
7:18.2 2,000m 1:49.5 266 1216 25 146
7:17.9 4,000m 1:49.4 267 1218 25 153
7:18.5 6,000m 1:49.6 266 1214 25 160
7:18.3 8,000m 1:49.5 266 1215 25 164
7:15.0 10,000m 1:48.7 272 1236 25 168
Born 1963 6' 5" 100Kg
PBs from 2020 - 100m 15.7s - 1min 355m - 500m 1:28.4 - 1k 3:10.6 - 2k 6:31.6 - 5k 17:34.9 - 6k 20:57.5 - 30min @ 20SPM 8,336m - 10k 36:28.0 - 1 hour 16,094m - HM 1:18:51.7
2021 - 5k 17:26 - FM 2:53:37.0
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KeithT
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by KeithT » December 21st, 2020, 3:57 pm
Dino wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 3:03 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 9:27 am
Crushed my
HM PB by almost a minute with a
1:19:19!
Jack of all trades... master of... them all!
Super result Keith.
LOL - thank Dino. Was kind of odd to PB a 1 minute and then a HM in back to back weeks.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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KeithT
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by KeithT » December 21st, 2020, 4:00 pm
nick rockliff wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 2:05 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 9:27 am
Crushed my
HM PB by almost a minute with a
1:19:19!
After Stu's crushing of a couple HMs I said I needed to do one and shoot to break 1:20 - so decided to give it a try yesterday. This may be my biggest shock of a PB ever as I crushed the one I did just a couple months ago and I hadn't tapered or anything - just did CTC and another hard row Thursday. Then I think I had quite a bit more. Though I always start out too fast, that was my plan for this HM. I decided I would do the first 10K at a 1:52 pace and then I could do the rest at a 1:55ish and beat the 1:20 goal. Well, I went even faster for the first 10K and then did OK in the third 5K and was actually right at 1:52 thru 15K. Here I did slow to 1:55 even though I was doing OK, I was tired and hurting but OK. I did start to get the mind games telling me to stop but seeing on the monitor that I could actually fall to an even slower pace and break 1:20 I knew I could hang on. I stayed conservative until very end but then was pulling in the 1:30s for last few hundred meters. When done I was tired and in typical discomfort but not devastated. So, I could have started going faster sooner or I could have held to more like a 1:53/1:54 in the 4th 5K. I never beat a PB by this much and also not felt crushed - again, a couple days after a two hard rows....makes no sense but I will take it!
Time /Mtrs/Pace/SPM
1:19:19.8/21097/1:52.8/23
18:34.8/5000/1:51.4/24
18:35.8/10000/1:51.5/24
18:55.4/15000/1:53.5/23
19:11.9/20000/1:55.1/23
4:01.8/21097/1:50.2/24
The HM is always a good one to set a PB. Probably not the best way to pace it but seems to work for you. Well done.
I decided to embrace my backwards (positive split) on this one, prob could have held better in the 4th 5K but got cautious. If I were to do again would prob just try to keep 152.5 the whole way and if anything left use it at end. I say that but we al know I can never help myself.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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winniewinser
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by winniewinser » December 21st, 2020, 4:02 pm
Tony Cook wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 3:57 pm
Was going to do a 4 x 2k WP L2 session tonight but tiring day and I knew that wasn’t in me during the warm up. Wanted to do some hard yards so set the PM for a 10k and thought about stopping at every 2k point. Pushed on through and could see the projected time of 36:30. Got to the end and knocked 50sec off my previous.
36:28.0 10,000m 1:49.4 267 1219 25 158
7:18.2 2,000m 1:49.5 266 1216 25 146
7:17.9 4,000m 1:49.4 267 1218 25 153
7:18.5 6,000m 1:49.6 266 1214 25 160
7:18.3 8,000m 1:49.5 266 1215 25 164
7:15.0 10,000m 1:48.7 272 1236 25 168
Wow...that is rapid!!
6'2" 52yo
Alex
Recent 2k - 7:19
All time 2k - 6:50.2 (LW)
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KeithT
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by KeithT » December 21st, 2020, 4:04 pm
hjs wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 2:47 pm
Congrats Keith, bit gingerly on the pacing
Thanks Henry. Not sure I will ever properly negative split on anything 5k and up. I have used negative splits well in 2K before and even 1K but that's about it. At some point you would think I would just force myself to try it even if it didn't work but I just always seem to get caught up in the moment.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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KeithT
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by KeithT » December 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm
Tony Cook wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 3:57 pm
Was going to do a 4 x 2k WP L2 session tonight but tiring day and I knew that wasn’t in me during the warm up. Wanted to do some hard yards so set the PM for a 10k and thought about stopping at every 2k point. Pushed on through and could see the projected time of 36:30. Got to the end and knocked 50sec off my previous.
36:28.0 10,000m 1:49.4 267 1219 25 158
7:18.2 2,000m 1:49.5 266 1216 25 146
7:17.9 4,000m 1:49.4 267 1218 25 153
7:18.5 6,000m 1:49.6 266 1214 25 160
7:18.3 8,000m 1:49.5 266 1215 25 164
7:15.0 10,000m 1:48.7 272 1236 25 168
Huge improvement and a good target to break - paced well too.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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hjs
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by hjs » December 21st, 2020, 4:39 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 4:04 pm
hjs wrote: ↑December 21st, 2020, 2:47 pm
Congrats Keith, bit gingerly on the pacing
Thanks Henry. Not sure I will ever properly negative split on anything 5k and up. I have used negative splits well in 2K before and even 1K but that's about it. At some point you would think I would just force myself to try it even if it didn't work but I just always seem to get caught up in the moment.
I also never negative split, but “aim” to stay on track for the first 70% orso and from there just hold on.
Form must be good though 1min and hm within a short time.
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Big J
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by Big J » December 21st, 2020, 5:38 pm
It's really hard to keep up with all the pbs, but suffice to say, it's great to see so many people progressing every day. It really helps motivate
Well done all!
40. 203cm. 101kg. Road/gravel cyclist with an occasional rowing habit.
100m - 15.0. 500m - 1:22.5. 1000m - 3:02.5. 2000m - 6:33.9. 5k - 16:44.2. 6k - 21:00.2. 30 minutes - 8636m. 30r20 - 8538m. 10k - 35:37. HM - 1.16:06.5