What Strength Training Have You Done Today

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » April 22nd, 2005, 2:23 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 22 2005, 12:08 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Regular Olympic bumper plates are 20 kilos, i.e. 44 pounds. Thus it looked like they were using 132 pounds. But if it was only 95 pounds that's not all that impressive at all. </td></tr></table> obviously John, you are talking out of your butt on this one, as you've never tried it. Trust me, 95lbs. is plenty. I can push press close to 275lbs. and doing Tabata Barbell Thrusters with 95lbs. sent me to dry heaves. A good Tabata sequence is harder than erging a 2K. (At least for me they are). Which is why doing Tabata work will do wonders for your anaerobic capacity - something which will definitely come in handy in the 2K. Given what you've posted re: weight training you probably wouldn't be able to get the first 21 reps - not to mention the rest of the sequence. Try it before you knock it. Olympic bumper plates come in a variety of weights - the only constant is that they are all the same diameter.

[old] Jim Barry · Post by **[old] Jim Barry** » April 22nd, 2005, 3:24 pm

Diesel, Perhaps not everyone is up to speed on the term Tabata. I had to look it up. It's 8 rounds of 20 seconds max reps then 10 seconds rest. So 4 minutes total. What you will endure for 4 minutes is a cruel routine though. Here is a link to an article by Dan John for those interested. <a href='http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do? ... 6-training' target='_blank'>http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do? ... ing</a> Note even this Highland Game world champion (40-49) thinks 70lb thrusters (35lb dumbells in each hand) are "very difficult". Way to go on 95lbs. I like the quote. "That's it! You're done in four minutes! Oh, and that thing you're trying to brush off your face? That would be the floor."

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » April 22nd, 2005, 3:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Jim Barry @ Apr 22 2005, 02:24 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Diesel, Perhaps not everyone is up to speed on the term Tabata. I had to look it up. It's 8 rounds of 20 seconds max reps then 10 seconds rest. So 4 minutes total. What you will endure for 4 minutes is a cruel routine though. Here is a link to an article by Dan John for those interested. <a href='http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do? ... 6-training' target='_blank'>http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do? ... ing</a> Note even this Highland Game world champion (40-49) thinks 70lb thrusters (35lb dumbells in each hand) are "very difficult". Way to go on 95lbs. I like the quote. "That's it! You're done in four minutes! Oh, and that thing you're trying to brush off your face? That would be the floor." </td></tr></table> Hi Jim, You overestimate my abilities... not that I mind! I never said I FINISHED the Tabata at 95lbs. All I said is it sent me into dry heaves - after interval #6. Call it the male ego getting checked back into place, big time! I do my Tabata training at 75lbs. - I may try 85 next time. Tabata style intervals are the next level in pain from the 2K (if you thought that was possible... unfortunately, it is.) .. but not by much.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » April 22nd, 2005, 4:12 pm

Diesel, You shouldn't make your lack of knowledge so obvious. At 146 pounds I have clean and jerked 285, done a full squat grazing my butt to the floor with 386, and 5 sets of 5 with 310. The C & J of 285 at 146 was almost twice my body weight. What have you done? Also I have competed at Olympic weightlifting, and you haven't, so I know what size Olympic bumper plates are and you don't. Doing those whatever they call them tossing a 95 pound bar up 6 inches above their shoulders with their legs 15 times for someone of their muscle mass is just not all that impressive to me. Perhaps it is to you but then you're not all that fit. Anyway it's a dumb exercise, especially the way they do it and, unless you'd like more information, that is my final comment in that regard.

[old] Jim Barry · Post by **[old] Jim Barry** » April 22nd, 2005, 4:17 pm

Diesel, OK. The record is straight. Following the article link you see a mess of posts about others' reaction trying tabata thrusters etc. I've never seen so much failure! My favorite quote was the reaction one guy's daughter had after he threw up on the cat. "Why is daddy crying?"

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » April 22nd, 2005, 4:36 pm

Concerning the impressiveness of the performance on video. I don't think that the 21 reps 95pound (43kg) barbell squats with a little extra touch to give it a fly to almost straight arms is too impressive. A friend of mine (the one I fell in the water with) has a program in which he does something like 2x6min squats with 110 pounds (50kg). In between sets he does other weight movements in a similar manner but different muscles. He is fairly muscular to put it mildly (100kg, 184cm). From reading the link on tabata from Jim ( Thanks Jim ) I also see that there are people having completed an eight at 155 pound. No doubt the gentlemen are good at squat and press but not as good as they are att chin ups! That is a really awesome display of upper back (including lats) and bicep power. If you look at their appearance they also seem a bit "top heavy" or Y-shaped. Please correct me (Diesel?) if you find my opinion incorrect as I never have tried to do squat and presses myself. Now (Here comes your hot potatoes Jane ) shouldn't there be a rower/erger here who can step forward and challenge those crossfit men on what they do on the video, in their specialty? Off course, it doesn't mean much if there isn't since it's there specialty, but if there is then it ergers/rowers 1, crossfit 0

[old] andyArvid · Post by **[old] andyArvid** » April 22nd, 2005, 4:49 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(akit110 @ Apr 21 2005, 10:36 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I believe he even lost the half-mile run (I believe the run it was won by the 110yard hurdler Renaldo Nehemiah). </td></tr></table> This does not surprise me one bit. One of the most awesome running displays I ever saw was Nehemiah running for the U of Maryland at the Penn Relays in the 4x400m. He got the baton about 50m behind and walked down field. This was after winning the shuttle hurdles relay and the 4x200m. Nehemiah could have been a world-class 400m runner and probably could run a damn fine 800m.

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » April 22nd, 2005, 4:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 22 2005, 03:12 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Diesel, You shouldn't make your lack of knowledge so obvious. At 146 pounds I have clean and jerked 285, done a full squat grazing my butt to the floor with 386, and 5 sets of 5 with 310. The C & J of 285 at 146 was almost twice my body weight. What have you done? Also I have competed at Olympic weightlifting, and you haven't, so I know what size Olympic bumper plates are and you don't. Doing those whatever they call them tossing a 95 pound bar up 6 inches above their shoulders with their legs 15 times for someone of their muscle mass is just not all that impressive to me. Perhaps it is to you but then you're not all that fit. Anyway it's a dumb exercise, especially the way they do it and, unless you'd like more information, that is my final comment in that regard. </td></tr></table> Like I said, man, arguing with you is like stepping into a black hole. It's pointless. Just do it - then post back. Not there is any way you could prove it - other than videotaping yourself. Whatever.... it's pointless to even discuss. Think what you want, it makes no difference to me.

[old] Porkchop · Post by **[old] Porkchop** » April 22nd, 2005, 5:21 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Yoda1 @ Apr 22 2005, 12:16 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Porkchop, Perhaps you'd be willing to attempt Diesel's idea of using Super Slow instead of the rapid fire program that Crossfit is suggesting. Same exercises, just at a Super Slow pace. </td></tr></table> Let's not change the subject, Yoda. I've got little to no interest in Super Slow ("not that there's anything wrong with that"). I more or less have my workout regimen planned out for the next 7-8 months already. Maybe after that, I will give Crossfit a try for a while and report back on the results. In the meantime, I will continue to read and participate here and to lurk over at Crossfit. As I said, I've read a significant portion of the archive over there. I find that there are a lot of very intelligent posters on that site, and I have learned from it even without doing the workouts. I am fascinated by the vehement, vituperative reaction that discussing Crossfit has elicited on the part of some. I'm of the "different strokes for different folks" school of thought. That program clearly works for the people who are using it -- they are satisfied with the pace of their progress toward their own goals. So why does the very mention of Crossfit bring out the nay-sayers over here? No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Personally, I'd love to be able to put out 21 pullups at one shot -- the thrusters are tough, though. (Diesel, you're way beyond my level at this point -- good on ya!) I'd also love to be able to put that 21st thruster rep over my head at 95 pounds, even if it was "only six inches." Carl Henrik, I can't believe that you actually called their lack of specialization "cowardly" and intimated that lack of specialization in one thing leads inevitably to mediocrity at everything. Under that theory, everyone other than the cream of elite athletes is pathetically mediocre. I guess I'd better slink back to my bed now, since there's no point in ever leaving it again. Anybody want to buy a slightly used Model D? John Rupp, as a former Olympic lifter, you'd fit right in over at Crossfit. There are some active competitive lifters using the program right now. Maybe you ought to look a little deeper at it before you dismiss it. They may not be quite as forgiving of your posting habits as this forum is, but you could probably work it out. For everyone's information, Dan John (author of the Tabata article Jim posted) is an active contributor on Crossfit. Dan John is a strength and conditioning coach and a well-regarded Highland Games competitor. Besides the above and the police and military participants, there are a number of martial arts competitors from various disciplines. All in all, I'm not convinced by conclusory statements like "not safe" and "not impressive." Porkchop

[old] Yoda1 · Post by **[old] Yoda1** » April 22nd, 2005, 5:54 pm

Porkchop, I wasn't trying to change the subject, I was trying to ease the tension that seemed to be building with each post. I guess it didn't work. I wish you well, which every direction you decide to go with your workouts. I too believe in the school of "different strokes for different folks". What works for you, doesn't necessarily work for me and visa versa. I do agree that the Tabata program is tough. Very tough. I've done it several times over the years, but on an Airdyne Stationary Bike. Again, I wish you well. Yoda

[old] Mark Keating · Post by **[old] Mark Keating** » April 22nd, 2005, 6:19 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(DIESEL @ Apr 22 2005, 08:53 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 22 2005, 03:12 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Diesel, You shouldn't make your lack of knowledge so obvious. At 146 pounds I have clean and jerked 285, done a full squat grazing my butt to the floor with 386, and 5 sets of 5 with 310. The C & J of 285 at 146 was almost twice my body weight. What have you done? Also I have competed at Olympic weightlifting, and you haven't, so I know what size Olympic bumper plates are and you don't. Doing those whatever they call them tossing a 95 pound bar up 6 inches above their shoulders with their legs 15 times for someone of their muscle mass is just not all that impressive to me. Perhaps it is to you but then you're not all that fit. Anyway it's a dumb exercise, especially the way they do it and, unless you'd like more information, that is my final comment in that regard. </td></tr></table> Like I said, man, arguing with you is like stepping into a black hole. It's pointless. Just do it - then post back. Not there is any way you could prove it - other than videotaping yourself. Whatever.... it's pointless to even discuss. Think what you want, it makes no difference to me. </td></tr></table> It's classless comments like JR's above that make me appreciate the "ignore user" option more and more. If only C2 could extend that option so that such displays of intellectual uniquity wouldn't appear in others' quotes ... Mark

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » April 22nd, 2005, 6:41 pm

Porkchop, Please, I stated that the cowardice part was not to be taken too litteraly. Also see how even my original formulation excludes everyone (?) you've mentioned doing the crossfit training. You can look at it as an odd thought to tease the mind for those who find enjoyment in such. Pathetic to be mediocre? I never let on any such valuation, in fact I did not use the word mediocre. I said half ok, and the fact is, when you need someone to do a specific task, you don't want someone who is only half ok at it due to lack of commitment when you can get a specialised pro. I am proud of being half ok in some areas though and think everyone should be who is. Being half ok is usually way, way above average. Should I get the impression that you are just trying to find an excuse to quit the erg? Can't handle the pain? Sorry, I'm just pulling your leg. Let's stay civilised. Or "no shouting", as it has been said...

[old] slocheetah · Post by **[old] slocheetah** » April 22nd, 2005, 6:42 pm

Here's a link to a pretty interesting web-site. Check out Sarge' s workout and his 100 rep squat video. <a href='http://www.marunde-muscle.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.marunde-muscle.com/</a>

[old] Porkchop · Post by **[old] Porkchop** » April 22nd, 2005, 7:05 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Yoda1 @ Apr 22 2005, 04:54 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Porkchop, I wasn't trying to change the subject, I was trying to ease the tension that seemed to be building with each post. I guess it didn't work. </td></tr></table> I guess you missed the smilie behind that sentence . . .

[old] Porkchop · Post by **[old] Porkchop** » April 22nd, 2005, 7:08 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Carl Henrik @ Apr 22 2005, 05:41 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Porkchop, Should I get the impression that you are just trying to find an excuse to quit the erg? Can't handle the pain? </td></tr></table> Erg pain is nothing. One of my friends had surgery for a peanut-sized kidney stone this morning. It hurts me just to think about it. Porkchop