Thanks, I do think it will help. I can tell myself I have much more to give when feeling like slowing down 60% of the way thru.philjoakley wrote: ↑July 17th, 2020, 8:46 amNice row Keith. Can understand the mixed emotions but this will surely put you in a good place mentally for your next attempt when hopefully you will go sub 36.KeithT wrote: ↑July 16th, 2020, 2:07 pmIt's with mixed emotions that I post a new 10K PB by 16 seconds of 36:14 (1:48.7 pace)
So, why mixed emotions? Let's start with the good. It was a 16 second PB and was sort of unplanned as I wasn't feeling too fresh with good rowing and weight workouts the 5 days prior. I got on the rower with the idea I would set it to 10K and go at my desired pace for 5K-6K and see how I was doing, so not a completely planned TT attempt. Also, as I will explain later, I went really fast the last 500M so I know I had more. Now the bad. This is far from the sub 36:00 time I have as a goal and I feel my fitness is there to do it. Once again I let the chimp win some battles. I went thru the first 6K right where I wanted to be in total (though not paced optimally) but then "decided" I wouldn't be able to keep that pace and slowed down some and settled for just getting a PB. The last 2K below is very deceiving as the first 1500m was close to a 1:53 pace as I had let myself think "just get a PB" then I did last 500m under 1:35.
Time/Meters/Pace/SPM
36:14.8/10000/1:48.7/25
7:08.6/2000/1:47.1/27
7:10.5/4000/1:47.6/26
7:18.1/6000/1:49.5/25
7:24.1/8000/1:51.0/23
7:13.5/10000/1:48.3/24
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1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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Hahaha, that's more like the Keith that I was expecting!!! You're getting back on top of it already
Friendly motivation is a great driver to exceed your expectations, and we all know you're capable of it. You just need to believe it, and manage the chimp.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
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Congratulations on a great time and big jump in your PB!KeithT wrote: ↑July 16th, 2020, 2:07 pmIt's with mixed emotions that I post a new 10K PB by 16 seconds of 36:14 (1:48.7 pace)
So, why mixed emotions? Let's start with the good. It was a 16 second PB and was sort of unplanned as I wasn't feeling too fresh with good rowing and weight workouts the 5 days prior. I got on the rower with the idea I would set it to 10K and go at my desired pace for 5K-6K and see how I was doing, so not a completely planned TT attempt. Also, as I will explain later, I went really fast the last 500M so I know I had more. Now the bad. This is far from the sub 36:00 time I have as a goal and I feel my fitness is there to do it. Once again I let the chimp win some battles. I went thru the first 6K right where I wanted to be in total (though not paced optimally) but then "decided" I wouldn't be able to keep that pace and slowed down some and settled for just getting a PB. The last 2K below is very deceiving as the first 1500m was close to a 1:53 pace as I had let myself think "just get a PB" then I did last 500m under 1:35.
Time/Meters/Pace/SPM
36:14.8/10000/1:48.7/25
7:08.6/2000/1:47.1/27
7:10.5/4000/1:47.6/26
7:18.1/6000/1:49.5/25
7:24.1/8000/1:51.0/23
7:13.5/10000/1:48.3/24
Next time you will be able to tell the chimp - see how fast I went at the end, so you don't know what you're talking about.
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Thanks. That's the plan, it's amazing how much you can listen to that damn chimp.DavidA wrote: ↑July 17th, 2020, 2:08 pmCongratulations on a great time and big jump in your PB!KeithT wrote: ↑July 16th, 2020, 2:07 pmIt's with mixed emotions that I post a new 10K PB by 16 seconds of 36:14 (1:48.7 pace)
So, why mixed emotions? Let's start with the good. It was a 16 second PB and was sort of unplanned as I wasn't feeling too fresh with good rowing and weight workouts the 5 days prior. I got on the rower with the idea I would set it to 10K and go at my desired pace for 5K-6K and see how I was doing, so not a completely planned TT attempt. Also, as I will explain later, I went really fast the last 500M so I know I had more. Now the bad. This is far from the sub 36:00 time I have as a goal and I feel my fitness is there to do it. Once again I let the chimp win some battles. I went thru the first 6K right where I wanted to be in total (though not paced optimally) but then "decided" I wouldn't be able to keep that pace and slowed down some and settled for just getting a PB. The last 2K below is very deceiving as the first 1500m was close to a 1:53 pace as I had let myself think "just get a PB" then I did last 500m under 1:35.
Time/Meters/Pace/SPM
36:14.8/10000/1:48.7/25
7:08.6/2000/1:47.1/27
7:10.5/4000/1:47.6/26
7:18.1/6000/1:49.5/25
7:24.1/8000/1:51.0/23
7:13.5/10000/1:48.3/24
Next time you will be able to tell the chimp - see how fast I went at the end, so you don't know what you're talking about.
David
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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Outstanding time, Keith, your mixed feelings notwithstanding.
A positive split doesn't work for me - it's too easy to listen to the chimp when you're ahead of target (I nearly stopped with 800m to go of my HM last month, because I was ahead of the clock, and felt that I'd still get a PB after a rest!).
Doug shared this a while ago as a method of negative splitting. I might use it next time I'm doing a TT:
40% at target +1
30% at target
20% at target -1
10% at target -2.
So for a 36' 10k, you'd do 4k at 1:49, the next 3k at 1:48, 2k at 1:47 and then the final 1000m at 1:46. I think.
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PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
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I've just spotted this one, Phil. Nice distance. As you can see it's exactly the same 30 minute distance as mine so maybe we ought to have a little challenge to see who can break 8,017m.philjoakley wrote: ↑July 14th, 2020, 3:01 pmDecided to have a night off 4 x 6 minutes 4R and went for 30 minute TT. Quite pleased to get to 8016m and beat 8k for the first time. I don't tend to do any endurance rows so this was quite a tough workout. Much prefer 5ks. Set off on pace and tried to hold it.
Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 8,016m 1:52.2 247 1151 27 168
6:00.0 1,601m 1:52.4 246 1147 26 152
12:00.0 1,601m 1:52.4 246 1147 27 160
18:00.0 1,600m 1:52.5 246 1146 27 170
24:00.0 1,601m 1:52.4 246 1147 28 177
30:00.0 1,614m 1:51.5 252 1168 28 181
Incredibly consistent and disciplined with the splits there, and enough left for a fast final split - great work!
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PBs - 1k 3:15.4 (Jun 2020) | 2k 6:51.4 (Feb 2019) | 5k 18:16.9 (Oct 2019) | 30min 8,016m (Apr 2019) | 10k 37:53.6 (May 2019) | 60min 15,254m (Apr 2019) | HM 1:25:38.4 (Apr 2019)
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Thanks Alasdair. I'm not that keen to have another go. 30 minutes in one go is a long way for me as I don't do any steady distance rows. I prefer 5ks as it suits me best. I'm not fast enough for 2k and find the pace and amount of suffering involved in a 5k as my sweet spot.jimmyshand wrote: ↑July 18th, 2020, 5:23 amI've just spotted this one, Phil. Nice distance. As you can see it's exactly the same 30 minute distance as mine so maybe we ought to have a little challenge to see who can break 8,017m.philjoakley wrote: ↑July 14th, 2020, 3:01 pmDecided to have a night off 4 x 6 minutes 4R and went for 30 minute TT. Quite pleased to get to 8016m and beat 8k for the first time. I don't tend to do any endurance rows so this was quite a tough workout. Much prefer 5ks. Set off on pace and tried to hold it.
Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 8,016m 1:52.2 247 1151 27 168
6:00.0 1,601m 1:52.4 246 1147 26 152
12:00.0 1,601m 1:52.4 246 1147 27 160
18:00.0 1,600m 1:52.5 246 1146 27 170
24:00.0 1,601m 1:52.4 246 1147 28 177
30:00.0 1,614m 1:51.5 252 1168 28 181
Incredibly consistent and disciplined with the splits there, and enough left for a fast final split - great work!
Age: 48 Height: 6ft 4 ins: HWT PB: 1000:3:19.1 2000:6:55.9 5000: 17:58.6 30mins: 8016m Started rowing in June 2019
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That seems sensible - I feel like anything from 1k to 10k for me is just about right but I've got a big leap to go for sub-18 5k. Don't have much strength for the short stuff. But thanks for providing motivation anyway!philjoakley wrote: ↑July 18th, 2020, 5:28 am
Thanks Alasdair. I'm not that keen to have another go. 30 minutes in one go is a long way for me as I don't do any steady distance rows. I prefer 5ks as it suits me best. I'm not fast enough for 2k and find the pace and amount of suffering involved in a 5k as my sweet spot.
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PBs - 1k 3:15.4 (Jun 2020) | 2k 6:51.4 (Feb 2019) | 5k 18:16.9 (Oct 2019) | 30min 8,016m (Apr 2019) | 10k 37:53.6 (May 2019) | 60min 15,254m (Apr 2019) | HM 1:25:38.4 (Apr 2019)
Rowing since March 2017. Real name is Alasdair.
PBs - 1k 3:15.4 (Jun 2020) | 2k 6:51.4 (Feb 2019) | 5k 18:16.9 (Oct 2019) | 30min 8,016m (Apr 2019) | 10k 37:53.6 (May 2019) | 60min 15,254m (Apr 2019) | HM 1:25:38.4 (Apr 2019)
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I went sub 18 a couple of weeks ago and it was a great feeling. You are not far off. A weekly session of 4 x 6 minutes was the key to building the fitness for me. My guess is that you can go sub 18.jimmyshand wrote: ↑July 18th, 2020, 5:57 amThat seems sensible - I feel like anything from 1k to 10k for me is just about right but I've got a big leap to go for sub-18 5k. Don't have much strength for the short stuff. But thanks for providing motivation anyway!philjoakley wrote: ↑July 18th, 2020, 5:28 am
Thanks Alasdair. I'm not that keen to have another go. 30 minutes in one go is a long way for me as I don't do any steady distance rows. I prefer 5ks as it suits me best. I'm not fast enough for 2k and find the pace and amount of suffering involved in a 5k as my sweet spot.
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HM PB ...got it done this morning....no dramas...all positive and really pleased to knock nearly 2mins off the PB . Onwards to other distances now.
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Very nice. Sub 2:00 splits, too. Looks like you are now reaping the benefits of all the slower volume you've done over the last few months. Well done. 2 mins is huge.winniewinser wrote: ↑July 19th, 2020, 8:07 amHM PB ...got it done this morning....no dramas...all positive and really pleased to knock nearly 2mins off the PB . Onwards to other distances now.
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51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
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Well done Alex, that's a big improvement! As Max said, all the slow stuff improved your aerobic base a lot, this will help for all distances. Very happy for you!winniewinser wrote: ↑July 19th, 2020, 8:07 amHM PB ...got it done this morning....no dramas...all positive and really pleased to knock nearly 2mins off the PB . Onwards to other distances now.
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LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42
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Thx Max....still felt tough to hold onto 2:00 pace but I was never going to HD todaymax_ratcliffe wrote: ↑July 19th, 2020, 8:16 amVery nice. Sub 2:00 splits, too. Looks like you are now reaping the benefits of all the slower volume you've done over the last few months. Well done. 2 mins is huge.
Cheers Martin, appreciate your support as always. 60' TT next week hopefullyMartinSH4321 wrote: ↑July 19th, 2020, 8:27 amWell done Alex, that's a big improvement! As Max said, all the slow stuff improved your aerobic base a lot, this will help for all distances. Very happy for you!
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Really well done mate. Very happy for you, not least as this is a distance you aren't naturally comfortable with.winniewinser wrote: ↑July 19th, 2020, 8:07 amHM PB ...got it done this morning....no dramas...all positive and really pleased to knock nearly 2mins off the PB . Onwards to other distances now.
It can feel frustrating to do a lot of long slow distance, but, behind the scenes, your fitness is improving. I have noticed you're over 1m metres already for this season.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
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Thx Stu. It was frustrating at first when the HR shackles went on but the process seems to have been good for me. I was racing a LOT of my sessions before so this proved to be a great eye opener.Dangerscouse wrote: ↑July 19th, 2020, 10:23 amReally well done mate. Very happy for you, not least as this is a distance you aren't naturally comfortable with.winniewinser wrote: ↑July 19th, 2020, 8:07 amHM PB ...got it done this morning....no dramas...all positive and really pleased to knock nearly 2mins off the PB . Onwards to other distances now.
It can feel frustrating to do a lot of long slow distance, but, behind the scenes, your fitness is improving. I have noticed you're over 1m metres already for this season.
This felt surprisingly hard to hold pace but that may be some mental toughness that needs to be replaced again. I can't fathom how people can do HM at 1:4x.... crazy
July will be less metres due to holiday and a couple of niggling injuries. I'll be doing another FM for FMMC at some point.
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