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max_ratcliffe
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by max_ratcliffe » May 26th, 2020, 10:00 am
Dangerscouse wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:46 am
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To manage to crank out a fast pace after a HD is a big ask, so well done mate. You're also right about your weight as your quite close to that horrible weight that inevitably means less power but still rates you as a HWT.
MartinSH4321 wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:31 am
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Good effort Max!
What was your rating?
Thanks gents,
I rated 42, but that apart it was perhaps a slightly conservative effort. Hopefully I've got another few metres in me... it took me 6s to get up to speed according to ErgData, which seems quite a while for such a short piece.
TBH, I'd happily swap it for completing my intervals today. They felt really hard from the get-go - think I had just forgotten how far 750m can seem, and it wasn't one of my better efforts.
I really should have a crack at losing the weight! No one to blame but myself!
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
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max_ratcliffe
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by max_ratcliffe » May 26th, 2020, 10:22 am
Gammmmo wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:55 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:19 am
Egregious HD on my intervals session today for no good reason that I can think of. So I waited a few minutes, cranked the drag up to 132 from my usual 115ish and had a crack at the 1' as a salve to my bruised ego.
First ever actual 1' TT, so an automatic PB at 321m (it would have been a
really bad day if I'd gone less far than I have in 1' intervals!).
Only 36%ile, but that's okay for a too-fat-to-be-a-lightweight
PB is a PB! I think of myself as LWT really too.
I mean, as a HWT you could be lumped in with a 6'6" monster who was born to row basically. Never ever gunna compete with that.
Not sure what "egregious" means but it sounds good.
Thanks Paul,
350m is really going some for a LWT!
The wife's roller derby league uses "egregious" in their rule book, in the sense of an "egregious foul", meaning a straight red. It has a flavour of meaning being conspicuously and noticeably bad, rather than just awful (think Ronnie Rosenthal).
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » May 26th, 2020, 10:32 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 10:22 am
....(think Ronnie Rosenthal).
Hahahahahahaha Rocket Ronnie!! He wasn't that bad compared to Torpen Piechnik and Istvan Kozma, or if we are really going for it, Ali Dia
aka 'George Weah's Cousin'
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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max_ratcliffe
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by max_ratcliffe » May 26th, 2020, 10:37 am
Dangerscouse wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 10:32 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 10:22 am
....(think Ronnie Rosenthal).
Hahahahahahaha Rocket Ronnie!! He wasn't that bad compared to Torpen Piechnik and Istvan Kozma, or if we are really going for it, Ali Dia
aka 'George Weah's Cousin'
He was generally a decent player from what I remember. I was thinking of this, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhviGuX09i0
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
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by JDLon » May 26th, 2020, 11:11 am
I completed my 5th 2km row today, having only recently picking up rowing (3weeks ago). Beat my old PB by 12s to get 6:26.8!! Very happy as seeing lots of progress
22y/o, 6”4,110kg
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by Dangerscouse » May 26th, 2020, 11:49 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 10:37 am
Dangerscouse wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 10:32 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 10:22 am
....(think Ronnie Rosenthal).
Hahahahahahaha Rocket Ronnie!! He wasn't that bad compared to Torpen Piechnik and Istvan Kozma, or if we are really going for it, Ali Dia
aka 'George Weah's Cousin'
He was generally a decent player from what I remember. I was thinking of this, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhviGuX09i0
Yeah, he wasn't bad at all, but that miss is all he'll be remembered for.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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by Gammmmo » May 26th, 2020, 11:56 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 10:22 am
Gammmmo wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:55 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:19 am
Egregious HD on my intervals session today for no good reason that I can think of. So I waited a few minutes, cranked the drag up to 132 from my usual 115ish and had a crack at the 1' as a salve to my bruised ego.
First ever actual 1' TT, so an automatic PB at 321m (it would have been a
really bad day if I'd gone less far than I have in 1' intervals!).
Only 36%ile, but that's okay for a too-fat-to-be-a-lightweight
PB is a PB! I think of myself as LWT really too.
I mean, as a HWT you could be lumped in with a 6'6" monster who was born to row basically. Never ever gunna compete with that.
Not sure what "egregious" means but it sounds good.
Thanks Paul,
350m is really going some for a LWT!
The wife's roller derby league uses "egregious" in their rule book, in the sense of an "egregious foul", meaning a straight red. It has a flavour of meaning being conspicuously and noticeably bad, rather than just awful (think Ronnie Rosenthal).
Do experiment with DF but watch your back. I've found you can train yourself quite rapidly at the short stuff. Also...spm=42 is way too low...use more half strokes and aim for 50ish. What was your LP? That will tell you if you have v good basic power if low (I don't) and therefore only other way to do it is train for more power OR really rate up, which is what I do. IMO you should be pulling strokes around your average within 4 strokes...if I'm firing on all cylinders atm mine will go 1:55, 1:36, 1:27....and then really concentrate on keeping the flywheel spinning. Really focus on tension and economy (all your effort both mental and physical going into the chain) so not to leak power...and watch you don't ease up a fraction before the line too.
Paul, 49M, 5'11" 83kg (sprint PBs HWT), ex biker now lifting
Deadlift=190kg, LP=1:15, 100m=15.7s, 1min=350m
Targets: 14s (100m), 355m+ 1min, 1:27(500m), 3:11(1K)
Erg on!
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winniewinser
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by winniewinser » May 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:19 am
Egregious HD on my intervals session today for no good reason that I can think of. So I waited a few minutes, cranked the drag up to 132 from my usual 115ish and had a crack at the 1' as a salve to my bruised ego.
First ever actual 1' TT, so an automatic PB at 321m (it would have been a
really bad day if I'd gone less far than I have in 1' intervals!).
Only 36%ile, but that's okay for a too-fat-to-be-a-lightweight
Great bounce back from the HD
6'2" 52yo
Alex
Recent 2k - 7:19
All time 2k - 6:50.2 (LW)
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by Dino » May 26th, 2020, 5:17 pm
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:19 am
Egregious HD on my intervals session today for no good reason that I can think of. So I waited a few minutes, cranked the drag up to 132 from my usual 115ish and had a crack at the 1' as a salve to my bruised ego.
First ever actual 1' TT, so an automatic PB at 321m (it would have been a
really bad day if I'd gone less far than I have in 1' intervals!).
Only 36%ile, but that's okay for a too-fat-to-be-a-lightweight
Nice one Max. Looks like quite a measured approach on the logbook graph although I bet it didn't feel like it so more to come!
I think I have only tried it twice and both were more like fly and die... with emphasis on the dying in the last 20 seconds!
You'll easily get past my meagre score next time!
56M HWT
50+PB 1m 326m, 500m 1:38,7, 1k 3:31.6, 2k 7:16.8, 5k 19:06.6, 6k 23:26.0, 30m 7730m, 10k 39:26.1, 60m 15025m, HM 1:25:04.7, FM 2:59:26.0, 50k 3:49:17.3
A long way away from any of these PBs now!!
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by Tandstad » May 27th, 2020, 2:16 am
JDLon wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 11:11 am
I completed my 5th 2km row today, having only recently picking up rowing (3weeks ago). Beat my old PB by 12s to get 6:26.8!! Very happy as seeing lots of progress
22y/o, 6”4,110kg
Amazing effort, getting to such a good time in the 2k usually takes a lot of time and effort
Are you only doing 2k's, or also other distances?
39YO, 188 cm, 115 kg, NOR. Instagram: jtands
1K: 2:59(2020), 2K: 6:16(2020), 5K: 16:44(2020), 10K: 34:44(2020), 30min: 8743m(2020), 30r20: 8416(2020), 60min: 16851(2021) HM: 1:16:19(2020)
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by Dangerscouse » May 27th, 2020, 2:27 am
JDLon wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 11:11 am
I completed my 5th 2km row today, having only recently picking up rowing (3weeks ago). Beat my old PB by 12s to get 6:26.8!! Very happy as seeing lots of progress
22y/o, 6”4,110kg
Wow, that is extremely fast progress and a very good result
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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by winniewinser » May 27th, 2020, 3:30 am
JDLon wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 11:11 am
I completed my 5th 2km row today, having only recently picking up rowing (3weeks ago). Beat my old PB by 12s to get 6:26.8!! Very happy as seeing lots of progress
22y/o, 6”4,110kg
Good grief!
......Oh to be young again
Very impressive. Do you have a history in other sports? 110kg of muscle presumably
6'2" 52yo
Alex
Recent 2k - 7:19
All time 2k - 6:50.2 (LW)
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by max_ratcliffe » May 27th, 2020, 3:47 am
winniewinser wrote: ↑May 27th, 2020, 3:30 am
JDLon wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 11:11 am
I completed my 5th 2km row today, having only recently picking up rowing (3weeks ago). Beat my old PB by 12s to get 6:26.8!! Very happy as seeing lots of progress
22y/o, 6”4,110kg
Good grief!
......Oh to be young again
Very impressive. Do you have a history in other sports? 110kg of muscle presumably
I still am young, although if you twist my arm I may have to admit that I am approaching my late mid-forties now, what with my forty-tenth birthday coming up in November.
I could also do 5 2ks in a three week span (unfortunately, none within a minute of JDL's time), and if I really had to, could probably get to 110kg.
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24
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by winniewinser » May 27th, 2020, 4:01 am
max_ratcliffe wrote: ↑May 27th, 2020, 3:47 am
winniewinser wrote: ↑May 27th, 2020, 3:30 am
JDLon wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 11:11 am
I completed my 5th 2km row today, having only recently picking up rowing (3weeks ago). Beat my old PB by 12s to get 6:26.8!! Very happy as seeing lots of progress
22y/o, 6”4,110kg
Good grief!
......Oh to be young again
Very impressive. Do you have a history in other sports? 110kg of muscle presumably
I still am young, although if you twist my arm I may have to admit that I am approaching my late mid-forties now, what with my forty-tenth birthday coming up in November.
I could also do 5 2ks in a three week span (unfortunately, none within a minute of JDL's time), and if I really had to, could probably get to 110kg.
Young at heart Max!...I can't even remember what I was doing at 22 but I know rowing was not on the agenda back then.
110kg sounds appealing during lockdown binging days
6'2" 52yo
Alex
Recent 2k - 7:19
All time 2k - 6:50.2 (LW)
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max_ratcliffe
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by max_ratcliffe » May 27th, 2020, 6:41 am
winniewinser wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm
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Great bounce back from the HD
Cheers Alex, 337m isn't half bad, especially for an actual LWT.
Dino wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 5:17 pm
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Nice one Max. Looks like quite a measured approach on the logbook graph although I bet it didn't feel like it so more to come!
I think I have only tried it twice and both were more like fly and die... with emphasis on the dying in the last 20 seconds!
You'll easily get past my meagre score next time!
Thanks Dino,
It
looks controlled - I am surprised how flat the pace graph is.
Started off with legs and a semi-decent stroke, descended into a panicked almost-arms-only and finished up with me scaring the fan into spinning by gurning at it.
Gammmmo wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 11:56 am
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PB is a PB! I think of myself as LWT really too.
I mean, as a HWT you could be lumped in with a 6'6" monster who was born to row basically. Never ever gunna compete with that.
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Do experiment with DF but watch your back. I've found you can train yourself quite rapidly at the short stuff. Also...spm=42 is way too low...use more half strokes and aim for 50ish. What was your LP? That will tell you if you have v good basic power if low (I don't) and therefore only other way to do it is train for more power OR really rate up, which is what I do. IMO you should be pulling strokes around your average within 4 strokes...if I'm firing on all cylinders atm mine will go 1:55, 1:36, 1:27....and then really concentrate on keeping the flywheel spinning. Really focus on tension and economy (all your effort both mental and physical going into the chain) so not to leak power...and watch you don't ease up a fraction before the line too.
Thanks Paul,
Good tips here. Funnily enough, 6'6" is an underestimate - top of the table ATM is 6'8". Total metres this year? 406!
51 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:40.3; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:35.5; 5k=20:18; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=14209m; HM=1:32:24