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[lindsayh]

Thanks for sharing. Hat off to you! I'm deeply sorry for my ignorance. Young and Dutch as I am I assumed "Lindsay" would be a female name. Not realising it comes from the Old English toponym Lindesege ("Island of Lind") for the city of Lincoln and the name was quite common as a surname untill the mid 1900's when it became popular as a masculine first name.

Not a problem Ronald - Lindsay is used in anglophone countries as both a male and female first name as well as a surname.
It would be a really extraordinary performance from a female to match those numbers!!

Very cool to see. I must say that Chris Cooper has some of the poorest technique I have ever seen? Bounced his knees, almost zero upper body movement, pulls to his lower belly instead of his chest, breaks at the knees first en visibly lifts the handle over his prematurely rising knees on the recovery. He came in first but just imagine what he could do with proper technique!?

Chris's technique isn't classical of course as he is the first to acknowledge but not the worst IMO. He is also really super athlete - tall and strong and was totally focussed on winning. He did a 6:39 2 weeks before Boston to set the WR and then repeated the performance in that race so can easily make the point that winners are grinners and his times are complete justification of his technique. I can't argue with that!
this is a thread that developed after the race:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=154349&start=30

If you want to see an unusual technique that works have a look for Luke Wollenschlager on YouTube - he is a world champion and sub 6 rower.

[rtbrouwer]

It would be a really extraordinary performance from a female to match those numbers!!

Hence my curiousity

[AndrewCrystal]

There it is...30 minutes.. did what I set out to do, yet am left a bit disappointed with myself. [edit:not true, target should have been a 1:55 avg, not the 1:56 I used]
At 10 minutes in I was sure I would not last long past the 20m mark, 20 minutes in I was surprised that the splitting ache in my side that usually sets in somewhere around 15m in was oddly absent.
Started counting down 10's by the last 3 minutes yet still found too much of a finishing sprint in the tank, meaning there was something left in the tank.
This all is easily interpreted as: I should have done better. Fear of pain is a difficult thing to conquer.

In the meantime Im content enough with my average joe status to accept the incremental progress and aim slightly higher next time (not soon!).

Can't see the image Ivan but not all bad when you find you're fitter than you thought! Great confidence builder getting through it with some to spare and might even go sub 1.55 next time around knowing you can do 1.56 with some left

[lindsayh]

Jack - terry has chipped in and nailed a 30' @2:01.2 which is pretty damn good I reckon- just have to get it in which should be done in the next day or 2

Ronald the other guy that has come to mind with a very ordinary technique was a multiple WR holder Mike van Beuren - he was as sloppy as anyone I have seen and had some amazing races with a guy named Roy Brook who had almost perfect technique. There are vids around I think of their races at Crash-Bs about ten years ago when they were 55+ into 60s- they are right next to each and Mike prevailed a couple of times. I have no idea how he managed to be so fast but eventually forced to stop because is back went!!

[rtbrouwer]

I've just put in a score for the 30min spring challange. Had a plan and executed it perfectly. Idea was to hit <1:50 for the first 5 minutes. Then stick around the 1:52.5 mark for the main 20 minutes and then see what I had left for the last 5 minutes. Turned out I had a little bit to much left in the tank. Last 5 minutes was 1:49.3 avg with a sub1:40 split for the last minute.
https://log.concept2.com/profile/1181577/log/43790152

So, I could have gotten more out of it but I am happy with a new PB of 8064m. And funny thing is that my 30min split is 1:51.6 and the 6k PB I set last week was a 1:51.9 split. That's what I call progress!

[AndrewCrystal]

I've just put in a score for the 30min spring challange. Had a plan and executed it perfectly. Idea was to hit <1:50 for the first 5 minutes. Then stick around the 1:52.5 mark for the main 20 minutes and then see what I had left for the last 5 minutes. Turned out I had a little bit to much left in the tank. Last 5 minutes was 1:49.3 avg with a sub1:40 split for the last minute.
https://log.concept2.com/profile/1181577/log/43790152

So, I could have gotten more out of it but I am happy with a new PB of 8064m. And funny thing is that my 30min split is 1:51.6 and the 6k PB I set last week was a 1:51.9 split. That's what I call progress!

Great strong row Ronald, very nicely paced

Of course that does mean that you definitely need to revisit your 6K at the very least - you should be able to knock around 30 seconds off that I think Your 5K SB should be very close to if not faster than your PB as well... and while we're at it I reckon you could knock around 1 minute off your 10K

[MartinSH4321]

I've just put in a score for the 30min spring challange. Had a plan and executed it perfectly. Idea was to hit <1:50 for the first 5 minutes. Then stick around the 1:52.5 mark for the main 20 minutes and then see what I had left for the last 5 minutes. Turned out I had a little bit to much left in the tank. Last 5 minutes was 1:49.3 avg with a sub1:40 split for the last minute.
https://log.concept2.com/profile/1181577/log/43790152

So, I could have gotten more out of it but I am happy with a new PB of 8064m. And funny thing is that my 30min split is 1:51.6 and the 6k PB I set last week was a 1:51.9 split. That's what I call progress!

That's great, well done, next time you can go for >8100m for sure!

[matwho]

I did a 6k today and I ranked it. It said I was 89th. I have been rowing for 6 weeks now and I'm not sure what kind of times a 70 year old newbie should be getting. Any input would be welcome.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
32:51.1 6,000m 2:44.2 79 571 21 135
6:32.2 1,200m 2:43.4 80 576 22 125
6:37.4 2,400m 2:45.5 77 565 21 129
6:40.4 3,600m 2:46.8 75 559 20 131
6:32.8 4,800m 2:43.6 80 574 21 140
6:28.4 6,000m 2:41.8 83 584 22 150

[MartinSH4321]

Did a 30R20 today which was planned as a preparation for a fast 30' on weekend, but ended up much faster than I thought, 8088m
Hope to be a good bit faster this weekend!

[rtbrouwer]

Did a 30R20 today which was planned as a preparation for a fast 30' on weekend, but ended up much faster than I thought, 8088m
Hope to be a good bit faster this weekend!

Wow Martin. You are a real powerhouse man! That's an impressive split at R20. Seems like you might hit a PB on your fast 30'!

[MartinSH4321]

Did a 30R20 today which was planned as a preparation for a fast 30' on weekend, but ended up much faster than I thought, 8088m
Hope to be a good bit faster this weekend!

Wow Martin. You are a real powerhouse man! That's an impressive split at R20. Seems like you might hit a PB on your fast 30'!

Thank you! The 30R20 is one of my favorite workouts, but this was very unexpected, a great confidence boost for the coming 30' TT at free rate!

[rtbrouwer]

Thank you! The 30R20 is one of my favorite workouts, but this was very unexpected, a great confidence boost for the coming 30' TT at free rate!

What's the training benefit of doing a max effort on a capped stroke rate? The idea is to maximize strenght/power because you have to generate as much pace as possible with each stroke since they are limited?

How does this transfer to higher stroke rate? Especially on the longer distances it seems to me that aerobic fitness is key right? How does more strength help you on a 10k?

[jackarabit]

cold start 22’ on Earth Day:

https://log.concept2.com/profile/1005087/log/43808566

[MartinSH4321]

Thank you! The 30R20 is one of my favorite workouts, but this was very unexpected, a great confidence boost for the coming 30' TT at free rate!

What's the training benefit of doing a max effort on a capped stroke rate? The idea is to maximize strenght/power because you have to generate as much pace as possible with each stroke since they are limited?

How does this transfer to higher stroke rate? Especially on the longer distances it seems to me that aerobic fitness is key right? How does more strength help you on a 10k?

I guess the training effect for me is very similar to a free rate effort as I'm much stronger than aerobicly fit and therefore pace difference isn't high.
A 2k is about 80% aerobic, 30' about 95% I guess so strength doesn't help much except a faster finish. Depending on how fast you'll be in future strength will play a more important role, elite rowers can do 30R20 at 9000+ m, so a stroke power index about 18 (360W / 20spm) which requires good strength, I estimate an average hobby rower can't pull even 1 stroke with such force.

[rtbrouwer]

Interesting Martin. Indeed you seem to be very strong. What's your squat and DL?

Would it be beneficial to do shorter lower rate training sessions such as 10 minuts at 16spm? That would seem like more of a strength excersice. Or even a 500m at 16spm or something.