Given The Choice..

[old] Dodsy1974 · Post by **[old] Dodsy1974** » January 19th, 2005, 3:28 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (John Rupp @ Jan 18 2005, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (Mel Harbour @ Jan 17 2005, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> From where do you claim to know so much about exactly how Eskild trains?  </td></tr></table><br>Yes!  </td></tr></table><br> So how does that one word answer Mel's question?

[old] makesureyoudoitright · Post by **[old] makesureyoudoitright** » January 19th, 2005, 5:21 am

Rating on the erg and on the water are totally different, its easier to go at a higher spm on the water..

[old] donm79 · Post by **[old] donm79** » January 19th, 2005, 9:18 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (John Rupp @ Jan 18 2005, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I just did. Read it again.<br><br>Next time ask an intelligent question.  </td></tr></table><br> You need lessons in grammar, logic, or both.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 19th, 2005, 4:42 pm

Don,<br><br>I can take you to the cleaners in grammar, logic, as well as comprehension and reality.<br><br>If you can't understand a simple 1 word answer then you're not going to do any better with 2 words.<br><br>So stop whining.

[old] donm79 · Post by **[old] donm79** » January 19th, 2005, 4:56 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (John Rupp @ Jan 19 2005, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Don,<br><br>I can take you to the cleaners in grammar, logic, as well as comprehension and reality.<br><br>If you can't understand a simple 1 word answer then you're not going to do any better with 2 words.<br><br>So stop whining.  </td></tr></table><br>Your post made no sense. You either misunderstood the question or decided to respond with a non sequitur to draw attention away from the fact that you had no adequate answer. I'm not really bothered if you can't admit that to yourself. I've heard it said many times on this forum that you are incapable of intelligent discussion. I've now experienced it first-hand. <br><br>As Mel has pointed out, not only are your 'theories' on training based on very little evidence, but you have misinterpreted that evidence and extrapolated beyond the bounds of reason. I have no vested interest in the way you choose to train. So carry on. But don't expect anyone else to agree with you, or follow your lead, if you can't provide intelligent justification for your methods.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 19th, 2005, 5:01 pm

Don,<br><br>What you don't understand, is that I didn't expect you to understand it.<br><br>And I expected that Mel would not understand it either.<br><br>I was right.<br><br>However, it makes perfect sense to me.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 19th, 2005, 5:05 pm

"Evidence", to weak minds, is as convincing as logic and facts.<br><br>Neither you nor Mel can accept what Ebbesen and his team mates actually DO.<br><br>Thus, my answer makes perfect sense.<br><br>But only to those who are capable of understanding such things.

[old] donm79 · Post by **[old] donm79** » January 19th, 2005, 5:05 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (John Rupp @ Jan 19 2005, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Don,<br><br>What you don't understand, is that I didn't expect you to understand it.<br><br>And I expected that Mel would not understand it either.<br><br>I was right.<br><br>However, it makes perfect sense to me.  </td></tr></table><br> This is brilliant stuff. Pure gold. Is everyone taking notes?

[old] donm79 · Post by **[old] donm79** » January 19th, 2005, 5:07 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (John Rupp @ Jan 19 2005, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> "Evidence", to weak minds, is as convincing as logic and facts.<br><br>Neither you nor Mel can accept what Ebbesen and his team mates actually DO.<br><br>Thus, my answer makes perfect sense.<br><br>But only to those who are capable of understanding such things.  </td></tr></table><br> As Mel has pointed out, you have no idea what Ebbesen and his teammates do in training. But carry on making baseless assumptions.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 19th, 2005, 5:25 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (donm79 @ Jan 19 2005, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (John Rupp @ Jan 19 2005, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> "Evidence", to weak minds, is as convincing as logic and facts.<br><br> </td></tr></table>  </td></tr></table><br> Don,<br><br>I continue to expect that you will not get it.<br><br>You continue to prove I was right.

[old] donm79 · Post by **[old] donm79** » January 19th, 2005, 5:32 pm

You continue to make no sense to anyone but yourself. I'm not sure if your deficit is with regard to intellectual capacity or mental health, but I wish you all the best.

[old] Mel Harbour · Post by **[old] Mel Harbour** » January 19th, 2005, 5:53 pm

*NB INFLAMATORY POSTING*<br><br>I always get amused when a 'Life Coach' tries to lecture a mathematician and computer programmer (in other words someone who actually has to deal with logic in some detail both during education and everyday life) about logic.<br><br>Anyway John, you carry on thinking what you want to think. Let me know next time you're presenting at a world rowing conference, I'm sure it'll be a good laugh!

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 19th, 2005, 7:24 pm

Mel,<br><br>I am well qualified to lecture you, since you have no class, in particular as a coach.<br><br>That goes for any other macho controlling men who try to impose some restrictive and hurtful training program on others, rather than "doing what's right".<br><br>Yes, I certainly do coach and have coached many people very well.<br><br>Perhaps you are jealous -- since you obviously can't.<br><br>Or do you call prescribing 20 spm to a woman who then can't break her PB for 2 years to be "coaching"????<br><br>Or was telling her she had "mental problems" the coaching part?<br><br>Really your "scientific" hogwash is not worth the paper it is written on and certainly doesn't have anything to do with proper training or conditioning.

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » January 19th, 2005, 8:16 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>See this link for a great view on rating and training bands from the Danish Rowing National Team Physiologist.<br><br><a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/guide.p ... sonalising' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/guide.p ... alising</a>  </td></tr></table><br><br><br>FWIW, much of the original physiological research behind Jensen's C2-UK piece is summarized usefully on line, in English and in Japanese, at <a href='http://www2.cc22.ne.jp/~ozwrow/ozr/r06t ... en98e.html' target='_blank'>Jensen 1998</a><br><br><br><br><br>

[old] hwt · Post by **[old] hwt** » January 19th, 2005, 10:44 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (John Rupp @ Jan 19 2005, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> <br>Or do you call prescribing 20 spm to a woman who then can't break her PB for 2 years to be "coaching"????<br><br>  </td></tr></table><br> What is the basis of this comment? <br><br>Everything else aside, I have found personally that training @ 18 - 20 spm has helped me dramatically improve my times - for all distances.

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