New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

[hjs]

My first 2k TT, after 2 weeks training, was 7:15,5 (271W), +50% are about 410W or 6:20, +60% about 430W or 6:15. Do you think that's a realistic long-term-goal? I know, hard to estimate and a lot of uncertainty, but it always helped me to have a long-term-goal to stay focused and motivated, so every educated guess is very welcome .

With the right training at your age 6.15 from a 7.15 start shouldn't be a problem. My first ever 2k was also 7.15 in May 2003 and was down to 6.28 by March 2004 and 6.16 by Sept 2005 age 48. Anything below 1609 mtr (Mile) I was rubbish though

Plenty of UT2 UT1 and AT sessions did it for me.

Nick, disagree, Martin will not react to aerobic work like you did, not to mention the volume you did. Powerwise, Martin would beat you left, righ and centre

[philjoakley]

Decided to have a go at a 2k TT instead of 3x4 mins/3'

Managed a 6.55.9 which is a new PB. Went off steadily as mentally I need to get to 1k feeling that I haven't gone out too fast. Picked up the pace in the second half and finished strongly. Am pretty pleased with this and am encouraged that I can still go faster with consistent training. Not going to get obsessed about it as enjoyment and health is the main reason for rowing and I want to keep at it. Good start to the day though.

Splits:

1.45.1
1.46.2
1.44.1
1.40.5

[hjs]

Decided to have a go at a 2k TT instead of 3x4 mins/3'

Managed a 6.55.9 which is a new PB. Went off steadily as mentally I need to get to 1k feeling that I haven't gone out too fast. Picked up the pace in the second half and finished strongly. Am pretty pleased with this and am encouraged that I can still go faster with consistent training. Not going to get obsessed about it as enjoyment and health is the main reason for rowing and I want to keep at it. Good start to the day though.

Splits:

1.45.1
1.46.2
1.44.1
1.40.5

Easy peasy, soon sub 6.50, you have ofcourse a good build.

[philjoakley]

Decided to have a go at a 2k TT instead of 3x4 mins/3'

Managed a 6.55.9 which is a new PB. Went off steadily as mentally I need to get to 1k feeling that I haven't gone out too fast. Picked up the pace in the second half and finished strongly. Am pretty pleased with this and am encouraged that I can still go faster with consistent training. Not going to get obsessed about it as enjoyment and health is the main reason for rowing and I want to keep at it. Good start to the day though.

Splits:

1.45.1
1.46.2
1.44.1
1.40.5

Easy peasy, soon sub 6.50, you have ofcourse a good build.

Thank you. I feel I am still learning the 2k, especially the pacing side of it. Quite encouraged by today's effort. What I have learned is that training wise, I respond better to 6 minutes and 4 minutes intervals and plenty of rest rather than doing lots of volume.

[max_ratcliffe]

Decided to have a go at a 2k TT instead of 3x4 mins/3'

Managed a 6.55.9 which is a new PB. Went off steadily as mentally I need to get to 1k feeling that I haven't gone out too fast. Picked up the pace in the second half and finished strongly. Am pretty pleased with this and am encouraged that I can still go faster with consistent training. Not going to get obsessed about it as enjoyment and health is the main reason for rowing and I want to keep at it. Good start to the day though.

Splits:

1.45.1
1.46.2
1.44.1
1.40.5

Awesome work. Well played.

[philjoakley]

Decided to have a go at a 2k TT instead of 3x4 mins/3'

Managed a 6.55.9 which is a new PB. Went off steadily as mentally I need to get to 1k feeling that I haven't gone out too fast. Picked up the pace in the second half and finished strongly. Am pretty pleased with this and am encouraged that I can still go faster with consistent training. Not going to get obsessed about it as enjoyment and health is the main reason for rowing and I want to keep at it. Good start to the day though.

Splits:

1.45.1
1.46.2
1.44.1
1.40.5

Awesome work. Well played.

Thank you Max.

[nick rockliff]

My first 2k TT, after 2 weeks training, was 7:15,5 (271W), +50% are about 410W or 6:20, +60% about 430W or 6:15. Do you think that's a realistic long-term-goal? I know, hard to estimate and a lot of uncertainty, but it always helped me to have a long-term-goal to stay focused and motivated, so every educated guess is very welcome .

With the right training at your age 6.15 from a 7.15 start shouldn't be a problem. My first ever 2k was also 7.15 in May 2003 and was down to 6.28 by March 2004 and 6.16 by Sept 2005 age 48. Anything below 1609 mtr (Mile) I was rubbish though

Plenty of UT2 UT1 and AT sessions did it for me.

Nick, disagree, Martin will not react to aerobic work like you did, not to mention the volume you did. Powerwise, Martin would beat you left, righ and centre

Yes agree unless the focus is on aerobic training.

[hjs]

With the right training at your age 6.15 from a 7.15 start shouldn't be a problem. My first ever 2k was also 7.15 in May 2003 and was down to 6.28 by March 2004 and 6.16 by Sept 2005 age 48. Anything below 1609 mtr (Mile) I was rubbish though

Plenty of UT2 UT1 and AT sessions did it for me.

Nick, disagree, Martin will not react to aerobic work like you did, not to mention the volume you did. Powerwise, Martin would beat you left, righ and centre

Yes agree unless the focus is on aerobic training.

Strange you think that way, Your view is that your talent does not matter and only training does. Clearly wrong. Usain Bolt will never run a fast marathon, Eliout Kipchouge never a fast 100m, nomatter how they train.

Martin already did lots of ut2 stuff, but that does not alter his natural strenghts.

[hjs]

Thank you. I feel I am still learning the 2k, especially the pacing side of it. Quite encouraged by today's effort. What I have learned is that training wise, I respond better to 6 minutes and 4 minutes intervals and plenty of rest rather than doing lots of volume.

Those intervals are closer to 2k work and this build a form peak, long volume work is more long term base work. On that base you need to build a peak first to be able to get a fast 2k.

[nick rockliff]

Nick, disagree, Martin will not react to aerobic work like you did, not to mention the volume you did. Powerwise, Martin would beat you left, righ and centre

Yes agree unless the focus is on aerobic training.

Strange you think that way, Your view is that your talent does not matter and only training does. Clearly wrong. Usain Bolt will never run a fast marathon, Eliout Kipchouge never a fast 100m, nomatter how they train.

Martin already did lots of ut2 stuff, but that does not alter his natural strenghts.

I'm just going by his stats in his signature. It's obvious that his training has been aimed more at strength more than aerobic. I don't know what Martin has based his definition UT2 work on? May not have been UT2, some think sitting on an erg and rowing slowly for an hour is UT2 but mortly it's not and probably a waste of time. I think if somebody has achieved a 6.46 with mixed training they can improve much more with specific training. I'm sure if I'd gone the other way and did strength training and weights I could have done a sub 1.20 500, think my best 500 was just under 1.24 without doing any weights ever.

[nick rockliff]

Yes agree unless the focus is on aerobic training.

Strange you think that way, Your view is that your talent does not matter and only training does. Clearly wrong. Usain Bolt will never run a fast marathon, Eliout Kipchouge never a fast 100m, nomatter how they train.

Martin already did lots of ut2 stuff, but that does not alter his natural strenghts.

I'm just going by his stats in his signature. It's obvious that his training has been aimed more at strength more than aerobic. I don't know what Martin has based his definition UT2 work on? May not have been UT2, some think sitting on an erg and rowing slowly for an hour is UT2 but mostly it's not and probably a waste of time. I think if somebody has achieved a 6.46 with mixed training they can improve much more with specific training. I'm sure if I'd gone the other way and did strength training and weights I could have done a sub 1.20 500, think my best 500 was just under 1.24 without doing any weights ever.

[hjs]

Yes agree unless the focus is on aerobic training.

Strange you think that way, Your view is that your talent does not matter and only training does. Clearly wrong. Usain Bolt will never run a fast marathon, Eliout Kipchouge never a fast 100m, nomatter how they train.

Martin already did lots of ut2 stuff, but that does not alter his natural strenghts.

I'm just going by his stats in his signature. It's obvious that his training has been aimed more at strength more than aerobic. I don't know what Martin has based his definition UT2 work on? May not have been UT2, some think sitting on an erg and rowing slowly for an hour is UT2 but mortly it's not and probably a waste of time. I think if somebody has achieved a 6.46 with mixed training they can improve much more with specific training. I'm sure if I'd gone the other way and did strength training and weights I could have done a sub 1.20 500, think my best 500 was just under 1.24 without doing any weights ever.

I know a lot more about him.

His “waste of time” training was hf based and indeed not fast but yet his fitness did improve but also his shorter stuff. He also did almost no strenghttraining anymore. His training in the erg is not mixed, but very one sided aimed at long and slow. R18

You absolute could been faster, and based on your very strong longer distance work I now very much think you top speed has held you back. Think you never really got a true peak on your base.

And don,t know if you ever have don,t strenghtraining, but Martins 192kg benchpress is very strong, thats elite, comparable with a deep sub 6 2k, imo. You would never come close, just as Martin will never touch your 60min and hf marathon times.

[jimmyshand]

Decided to have a go at a 2k TT instead of 3x4 mins/3'

Managed a 6.55.9 which is a new PB. Went off steadily as mentally I need to get to 1k feeling that I haven't gone out too fast. Picked up the pace in the second half and finished strongly. Am pretty pleased with this and am encouraged that I can still go faster with consistent training. Not going to get obsessed about it as enjoyment and health is the main reason for rowing and I want to keep at it. Good start to the day though.

Splits:

1.45.1
1.46.2
1.44.1
1.40.5

Great work Phil, and agree with others that you can can take a decent chunk off this. I'm going to give my 2k a go again soon so maybe we can have a bit of competition and also try to catch up with Martin before he disappears completely over the horizon!

Although 'enjoyment and health' are not what the 2k feels like, as you say but definitely a good start to the day.

[philjoakley]

Decided to have a go at a 2k TT instead of 3x4 mins/3'

Managed a 6.55.9 which is a new PB. Went off steadily as mentally I need to get to 1k feeling that I haven't gone out too fast. Picked up the pace in the second half and finished strongly. Am pretty pleased with this and am encouraged that I can still go faster with consistent training. Not going to get obsessed about it as enjoyment and health is the main reason for rowing and I want to keep at it. Good start to the day though.

Splits:

1.45.1
1.46.2
1.44.1
1.40.5

Great work Phil, and agree with others that you can can take a decent chunk off this. I'm going to give my 2k a go again soon so maybe we can have a bit of competition and also try to catch up with Martin before he disappears completely over the horizon!

Although 'enjoyment and health' are not what the 2k feels like, as you say but definitely a good start to the day.

Thanks Alasdair. I need to learn to be a little bit braver in the first 1k i think as the gap between the two halves is quite big. That said, I will always aim for negative splits. Martin is training very well at the moment. If he can hold on to his power for long enough, i'd expect him to seriously revise his 2k. Am happy just trying to be the best I can be. I did feel I learned a lot about myself today and hopefully can use it to get q quicker time fairly soon. All the best with your 2k attempt, hopefully you will break the 6.50 barrier.

[MartinSH4321]

Decided to have a go at a 2k TT instead of 3x4 mins/3'

Managed a 6.55.9 which is a new PB. Went off steadily as mentally I need to get to 1k feeling that I haven't gone out too fast. Picked up the pace in the second half and finished strongly. Am pretty pleased with this and am encouraged that I can still go faster with consistent training. Not going to get obsessed about it as enjoyment and health is the main reason for rowing and I want to keep at it. Good start to the day though.

Splits:

1.45.1
1.46.2
1.44.1
1.40.5

Well done Phil, big congrats!
Looking at the last 500 you can definitely go even faster, sub 6:50 is pretty close, just a bit more experience needed. Will you give the 2k another try in a few weeks?