Rowing More Than Once A Day

[old] makesureyoudoitright · Post by **[old] makesureyoudoitright** » January 9th, 2005, 11:22 pm

Whats everyones opinions on this? Is it ok, or beneficial, for example, to row for a long time at UT2(40+ mins) and then later in the day do a shorter UT1/AT piece?

[old] GeorgeD · Post by **[old] GeorgeD** » January 10th, 2005, 3:04 am

I think the decision to train twice a day (both erging as opposed to maybe a weights or say pilates / yoga session) has to be taken in the context of where you are in your training cycle (timeframe to competition), what are your objectives, other comitments. The question of programming 'rest / recovery' into your programme has to be a factor as well - regardess of the boundless energies of youth. There is no point in doing two sessions unless you have a clear knowledge of 'how' the second session will bring physiological improvement towards your goal. regds George ps I think a UT2 session less than an hour is probably pointless, especially if you are at the stage of considering 2 sessions a day.

[old] ninja · Post by **[old] ninja** » January 10th, 2005, 3:28 pm

hey dudes and dudets, You should be very carefull when training more than once a day.I spent and extended period training 3 or more times a day,this caused me to burnout and I haven't been able to get up to the same tempo since.So be carefull and stock up on plenty of pasta! tones

[old] Xavier · Post by **[old] Xavier** » January 10th, 2005, 7:19 pm

I usually train twice a day, either consisting of a 60min or 18k first, and then either a 12k or 10k later on. For an interval day I'd do the interval session first and maybe something lighter afterwards if I felt like it. I'm lucky in that I've got the time to, but I do monitor my HR regularly, and if it's too high then I don't think twice about skipping one (or even both) of the sessions. Xav

[old] makesureyoudoitright · Post by **[old] makesureyoudoitright** » January 11th, 2005, 4:16 pm

Well this is what Im wondering, will doing both in one day bring about greater endurance/fitness quicker? I know your CV system recovers quickly compared to weights for example..

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » January 11th, 2005, 4:26 pm

I don't know. But usually I train twice a day, mornings are 40-60 mins on the stepper, 1 hour bike and a 5 or 10k. Then later in the day 15 or 20k whatever I can manage. i train for 6 days a week and on saturday just 1 session , sunday nowt. I've trained like this since Nov 22nd last year in an attempt to lose weight, currently lost 11 kilos.

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » January 11th, 2005, 4:30 pm

This discussion is something that I wonder about myself, many times. Maybe this is where the Lactate Threshold stuff comes in. I'm sure that elite athletes that are training 2-3 times a day, need a surefire way to monitor when they are entering the overtrained state. I think that going by how you "feel" is misleading. Isn't there a point when people who like to train will just train, regardless of how they 'feel' . "feel" is very subjective. Stuff like HR and Lactate, seem to me, at least, way more objective. Put then again, I'm just throwing this out there.. maybe the people who play with lactate and HR toys (hint, hint Xeno! ) could chime in on the issue... peace, D

[old] makesureyoudoitright · Post by **[old] makesureyoudoitright** » January 11th, 2005, 5:12 pm

Oh, I might add, the only sessions I will be doing where Im training twice a day will be below lactate threshold, so no lactic acid on the days where Im training twice a day!

[old] makesureyoudoitright · Post by **[old] makesureyoudoitright** » January 11th, 2005, 5:14 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Rocket Roy @ Jan 11 2005, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I don't know. But usually I train twice a day, mornings are 40-60 mins on the stepper, 1 hour bike and a 5 or 10k. Then later in the day 15 or 20k whatever I can manage. i train for 6 days a week and on saturday just 1 session , sunday nowt. I've trained like this since Nov 22nd last year in an attempt to lose weight, currently lost 11 kilos.  </td></tr></table> So you workout for like, 3 hours in one go in the mornings?

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » January 12th, 2005, 2:56 am

Yes. But it's usually 2 and a half to 3 hours. then an hour to 90 mins in the pm.

[old] makesureyoudoitright · Post by **[old] makesureyoudoitright** » January 12th, 2005, 11:39 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Rocket Roy @ Jan 12 2005, 01:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Yes. But it's usually 2 and a half to 3 hours. then an hour to 90 mins in the pm.  </td></tr></table> Thats really a ridiculous amount, what are you trying to achieve by doing that?

[old] Cran · Post by **[old] Cran** » January 13th, 2005, 6:23 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Thats really a ridiculous amount, what are you trying to achieve by doing that?  </td></tr></table> Doing 3 hours a day is a good way to drop weight. Especially when you need to get down past 10% body fat. Dieting won't do it, and you'll lose strength and be tired all the time, so the way to drop body fat low is to eat like a horse, esp loads of carbs, and train it off...

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » January 13th, 2005, 6:28 am

I totally agree with you Cran, although I don't eat like a horse, just what i want. By using the stepper and bike it is using the biggest muscles in the body and causing me to sweat like a horse, and also increasing the strength in those leg muscles. By erging up to 30k a day this is working all the rowing muscles. So if I'm losing muscle while dropping weight then it wont be the ones Iuse for erging. My reason for training up to 4 hours a day is to get to lwt.

[old] gw1 · Post by **[old] gw1** » January 13th, 2005, 12:26 pm

For those of you who don't have 2-3 hrs a day to train, it is possible to get from 14% body fat to 10% (total body weight atually went up from, 198 to 200lb) in 16 weeks training 75 -90 minutes a day and eating 5-6 times a day. As well as doing a post 40 PB in a couple of distances. That was the results of my preperation for the world surfboat titles last Sept, i did start with a good CV base. In those 16 weeks i alternated, rowing on 1 day and resistance training the next. I would eat approx, 25-30 grams of protein (whey protein shakes, egg whites, fish, lean meats) , 50-60 grams of low glcemic carbs (vegatables, slow cook oat meal, whole grains etc, except the meal following a workout which can contain mid glycemic carbs) and 8-12 grams of healthy fats (almonds, avocado, olive oil). IMO good nutrition and a 45 min to 90 min of balanced training 4-6 days a week will yeild great results to the majority of people. However some chose to do much more, this is not my preference, but their results indicate that it is what works best for them. GW

[old] Kudos · Post by **[old] Kudos** » January 13th, 2005, 12:54 pm

hey GW, i know you probably meant to say it, but just forgot, that the macronutrient breakdown you posted is per meal and not total. Unless, you weigh 50pds that is

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