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[jackarabit]

This [energy] system is very much used in game sports, soccer, tennis, basketball etc. Lots of short high intensity efforts, but mostly easy jogs or standing still.

How about training prep for the 500m indoor rowing comp? I recall lindsay reporting that in addition to 2k, they typically compete the 500 distance in Oz. High stroke rates and explosive muscle enlistment are the name of that anaerobe game.

Easy jogs and standing still absolutely applies to baseball. George Herman Ruth, a very explosive long ball hitter of the early years, was known for his relaxed jog to the nearest bar where he would stand with one foot on the rail and do endless sets of curls with a beer mug.

[Papy]

I did try the 11x111m/1"R this afternoon for some workout variation after a 30 min UT2... that was taxing enough ( ) and showing my long way to go (1"40 to 1"45 pace through the 11 intervals) but I'll vote for that one too. I'd like to do it again by this time next month to see my general improvement.

[jackarabit]

Current vote tally for 11x111m/R1’ as Nov. CTC

FF Lindsay, FF Dave, FF Jean, FFF Jack, FF Olivier

[hjs]

This [energy] system is very much used in game sports, soccer, tennis, basketball etc. Lots of short high intensity efforts, but mostly easy jogs or standing still.

How about training prep for the 500m indoor rowing comp? I recall lindsay reporting that in addition to 2k, they typically compete the 500 distance in Oz. High stroke rates and explosive muscle enlistment are the name of that anaerobe game.

Easy jogs and standing still absolutely applies to baseball. George Herman Ruth, a very explosive long ball hitter of the early years, was known for his relaxed jog to the nearest bar where he would stand with one foot on the rail and do endless sets of curls with a beer mug.

Lional Messi is known to be the guy who makes the less meters on the field. He does not jog, but walks mostly.

Re 500, very much full use of both anaerobic systems, but the thing that works best, get stronger/bigger muscle. Everything else equal, lowering your max pull will make you faster.

[lindsayh]

How about training prep for the 500m indoor rowing comp? I recall lindsay reporting that in addition to 2k, they typically compete the 500 distance in Oz. High stroke rates and explosive muscle enlistment are the name of that anaerobe game.

Jack there is a lot of 500 racing here (and there is one at BRIC too) and although the 500 is not pure anerobic it is definitely a power game and I reckon that hard shorter intervals repeated is part of the training. You have to be around 40sr to get it right and be strong enough to get down/under target pace really quickly (say by stroke 4/5) and be fit enough when muscles change energy systems after about 1 minute. The last couple of years has seen my 500 times recede much more than the 2k - partly natural aging and partly because 500 specific training has dropped off.
BTW the ARIC on Sunday next has a 2k 1k and 500 all on the same day then at the Pan Pacific Masters in a couple of weeks there is a 2k and 500 one day then 100m 1k and 1 minute the next!

[jackarabit]

I am schooled on training appropriate for BRIC. Are the majority of participants expected to do the 500m in addition to the 2k or will the 500 be contested by a smaller number largely composed of notorious celebrity specialists?

[meerkats]

I vote for 11 x 111m, but 1m rest is too much, this is sprint training, I'd go for 30sec rests, although i know that ruins the 1 thing!

I'm away from the computer from tonight, so someone call it, eitherway, should be a good challenge. with 1m rests you should sure fire recover and there should be no slacking, 30 sec rest at full pelt, I'd expect the lactic to build towards the end

[jackarabit]

Based on the reasonable assumption that increased rest associates with improved performance, no one who takes the CTC (too) seriously would be harmed by stipulating a minimum of 30” rest up to a maximum of 1’ rest between each 111m rep.

Two obvious objections:
1) no competitive advantage would llkely accrue to Chris
2) even a few requests for interpretation or clarification would put us in the do(u)ghouse with YKW.

So that’s an additional vote (currently 5 votes in favor, 1 leaning toward) for 11x111m with 1’ rest unless a massive ground swell of support for 30” rest should develop in the next few days.

I think we’re all good with Chris’s original challenge name: “Eleventh Hour.” Should a brief allusion to the curious timing of the 1918 Armistice be part of the challenge description?

[jackarabit]

No change in the polling for FF CTC choice. Time to name the game and notify Dougie Lawson. My understanding is that the thematic referent of this challenge is the centenary commemoration of the cessation of hostilities in WW1. Assuming this is correct, here’s one possible wording. If you have an alternative emphasis or improved wording, don’t be shy as tempus fugits on apace.


Eleventh Month, Eleventh Day, Eleventh Hour

(Sunday, November 11 is the centenary observance of Remembrance Day which commemorates the 1918 Armistice in Commonwealth nations.)

11 x 111m/R1’
First iteration from dead wheel; all subsequent standing or rolling.
Enter total time to complete 1221 meters, excluding rest time.

[Slothful1]

Thanks Jack. Wording looks spot on to me.

Dave

[hjs]

No change in the polling for FF CTC choice. Time to name the game and notify Dougie Lawson. My understanding is that the thematic referent of this challenge is the centenary commemoration of the cessation of hostilities in WW1. Assuming this is correct, here’s one possible wording. If you have an alternative emphasis or improved wording, don’t be shy as tempus fugits on apace.


Eleventh Month, Eleventh Day, Eleventh Hour

(Sunday, November 11 is the centenary observance of Remembrance Day which commemorates the 1918 Armistice in Commonwealth nations.)

11 x 111m/R1’
First iteration from dead wheel; all subsequent standing or rolling.
Enter total time to complete 1221 meters, excluding rest time.

As a not so active Team captain will put it up in the ctc thread.

[jackarabit]

Thanks Dave, Henry. Doug will likely disambiguate it if necessary.

[lindsayh]

I am schooled on training appropriate for BRIC. Are the majority of participants expected to do the 500m in addition to the 2k or will the 500 be contested by a smaller number largely composed of notorious celebrity specialists?

Jack as far as I can see most go to BRIC just for the 2k and the 500 has much smaller fields - there are a few who seem to go for the double and then some who are just there for the shorter one - not sure how many are "celebrities" though. I have entered in both (of course) - for me it would be a long trip to watch others race even with my dodgy current 500m times.

Terry and I had another go at the 1609m IRL tonite and improved a bit (mine just a little and Terry by a good bit more) - 13th overall for the High Flyers not too shabby.

[jackarabit]

Lindsay sez:

not sure how many are "celebrities"

I was thinking of Hugh Jackman. May have done only the 2k last yr @ BRIC. In any event, it’s clear to me that effective interval training distance tends to bracket the competed distance—typically 1/2 to 1-1/2 times the competed distance I reckon.

[Erik A]

looks like i am out for a while now. arm is progressivly getting worse and can now barely lift anything of any weight at all. specialist appointment on the 15th. hears hoping that gets me some news on what is going wrong