Recommended cushions for C2 Model D seat?

[Slidewinder]

There would be no market for auxiliary cushions if the stock C2 seat were well-designed and comfortable. This is a reasonable statement. It should not anger anyone.

[Arower]

There would be no market for auxiliary cushions if the stock C2 seat were well-designed and comfortable. This is a reasonable statement. It should not anger anyone.

Everybody is built differently, you will never make a seat to suit the masses. Case in point is the humble bike seat. Serious riders will try a number of seats to get the seat that is most comfortable. It is not to say the seats are not well designed, it is just that everyone is different.

[Ombrax]

+Ombrax: The "quote" feature is used far too much in this forum. What is the point of quoting in full my first comment? Make your reply, and if anyone wishes, they can refer back to what I wrote. While true that no one design will work for everyone, the flat, hard Concept 2 seat works for almost no one. That is the reality. As cyclist2 writes, "I don't use a pad on a regular rowing shell seat, they are the right shape to start with."

Hugs and kisses.

[Slidewinder]

+Ombrax: I anticipated that response from you. Entirely predictable. I know you think it was clever.
+Arower: To repeat myself from above - "While true that no one design will work for everyone, the flat, hard Concept 2 seat works for almost no one."

[johnlvs2run]

It is a bizarre part of the "C2 family" culture that criticism of any aspect of the C2 rower is not tolerated. To do so is to risk personal verbal attacks and group ostracization.

If you think that's bad, try posting about "watts per weight," or try having a civil discussion about lightweights.

[Ombrax]

If you think that's bad, try posting about "watts per weight," or try having a civil discussion about lightweights.

Mercifully, this forum doesn't seem to have the interminable "what's the best type of chain oil?" threads we see so often on cycling forums. A few threads have come close to degenerating into that, but stopped before actually going over the edge.

[Allan Olesen]

the flat, hard Concept 2 seat works for almost no one."

Then I am almost no one.

In the first month or two, I used all kinds of cushions and foam blocks. But at some point I must have forgot to use them. I simply haven't thought about it. I have just rowed.

This thread was the first reminder that I am not using any cushions anymore.

A lot of my rowing sessions are 80 minutes, so I think I have enough ass time to discover if the seat is a problem.

Anyway, to me it looks like it is easier to get a stable seating for everyone by having a hard(ish) base seat to which people can add cushioning, than by having a soft base seat to which people can add hardening.

[jackarabit]

Agree, “Pillow” seats are an abomination—on the rower as on a racing or touring bike. Best advice from OTW experience with relieved areas on the centers of the ischeal tuberosities. Sliding butt muscle over those little bony bits 500-1000 times per row is painful. I like Mark’s idea of picking up centers by sitting on memfoam. Sitting in beach sand is equally effective for taking off an impression from which you measure. I did a couple of pads with “strategic depressions” from sheet ethafoam a few yrs. back.

[Slidewinder]

Well, I challenge anyone here to sit on my Model D fitted with a seat from a cheap, scrap-bin, Brand X, piston-style rower. The seat is smaller than the C2 seat. It is not a "pillow" seat. It is firm, but with some "give". It is slightly dished to prevent sliding around on it, and it has recessed areas for the "ischial tuberosities" (thankyou jackarabit). I am confident that everyone (big butt, little butt, meaty butt, bony butt) would agree that it is a better designed seat than that supplied by Concept 2 - and yet, Concept 2 will not re-design its seat. There is no excuse for this.

[RoidbotPR]

This is off topic, but since we are discussing the many short comings of the C2 rower, can we discuss some of the bigger issues? What about the un-ergonomic handle? Or how the bungee cords are giving some people an edge after they fall out of factory tolerance? I just never see any of these things even being discussed, much less addressed.

[Allan Olesen]

Roidbot, instead of using all those words, wouldn't it be easier to just ask for a thread lock? The result will be the same.

[Slidewinder]

Good idea RoidbotPR. I surmise from the tone of your post that you are not one of those forum members who will rage, "How dare you criticize the C2 rower! You must be a bad person!" So, start a thread. I would be happy to contribute to a civil discussion of any or all of the deficiencies you mention.

[Citroen]

Some folks on here are approaching the time when they will get a ban from the forum.

Please remember one simple rule, "Dear forum, please play nicely".

[sekitori]

Some folks on here are approaching the time when they will get a ban from the forum.

Please remember one simple rule, "Dear forum, please play nicely".

Concept 2 is in my estimation, literally is the best company I have ever dealt with. It has the best customer support possible and sells what I consider to be one of the best products I have ever purchased (Model D) at a very fair price.

The only complaint I and others have is that the seat cushion they sell, at least for me, is terrible.

If our complaining about something as simple as a seat cushion causes us to banned from this forum, so be it.

[Slidewinder]

Thankyou Sekitori.