Battle Of The Giants

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » June 2nd, 2004, 3:00 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Graham Benton @ Jun 2 2004, 03:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Prediction - 4 mins @ 1:22 in May suggests around 5:40 already, so by Boston I would not be surprised if Dwayne was the best in the world!  </td></tr></table> I literally fell off the erg after that one. I had nothing left!! Don't think I could have finished the other 329 meters even at a 3:00 split!!!

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » June 2nd, 2004, 4:41 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (dadams @ Jun 2 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I literally fell off the erg after that one. I had nothing left!! Don't think I could have finished the other 329 meters even at a 3:00 split!!! </td></tr></table> Trying to decipher these references and they don't make much sense. 2000-329=1671m which if done in 4 minutes would be a 1:11.8 Avg Pace. Pretty impressive, even for you Dwayne. 1:22 for 4 minutes would cover 1463m. That plus 329m is 1792m (still well short of 2K), so what is "the other 329m" referring to? I was assuming it was the remainder to some competitive distance. Getting a 1K under 2:40 would be a good beginning to be sub 5:40 for the 2K, worked for Mr. Shurmei. - Paul Smith PS - What was the Rate and DF for that 4 minutes, sounds brutal!

[old] Rogus · Post by **[old] Rogus** » June 2nd, 2004, 6:02 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (ranger @ Jun 2 2004, 09:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Yes, I won the lightweight gold and the heavyweight silver simultaneously. Yes, as I remember, the heavyweights rowed at the same time as the lightweights. In fact, I had a heavyweight rowing right next to me. I would say that we all struggle at 50-55 years old to be lean (e.g., the weight we were at 20-25 years old). To my knowledge, no lightweight male, 20-69 years old, has ever won the "unrestricted weight" category. Perhaps the rowing historians on this line could verify this for us. If you row 5:35, I suspect, none! Qualifying time this next year is about 6:26 for the 50s hwts, as I remember. That would be a nice goal for me to shoot for. Is that about where you're headed? ranger  </td></tr></table> Now that we've hijacked this thread. Seems kind of weird to compete together and then give separate awards. Then it's possible to win two hammers? I guess that's OK as long as you can monitor who it is that you're actually racing. I'd hate to finish my race thinking I'd won, only for them to tell me someone not being shown on the monitor beat me by .1 of a second. Do they seed which erg you use by time, weight, or is it just random order? I weigh pretty much what I did in college. Unfortunately, it's arranged a little differently now. Wasn't really wondering about the true lightweight winning the unrestricted category. Was more thinking whether a 166-185 Lb heavyweight had much of a chance in your humble opinion? OK, 5:35. Now I have a reasonable goal. Add me to the Graham, Dwayne race! Remember there are no qualifying times for the CRASH-Bs. Anyone can enter with any time or even with no time at all. Yes, that's about where I'm headed.

[old] Ralph Earle · Post by **[old] Ralph Earle** » June 2nd, 2004, 8:34 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Getting a 1K under 2:40 would be a good beginning to be sub 5:40 for the 2K, worked for Mr. Shurmei.  </td></tr></table> 1460m in 4:00 beats 1K in 2:40 with a very big stick, Paul. 1460m in 4:00 = @ 1:22.2 = 630W; 630x4/60 = 42.0 kWh 1000m in 2:40 = @1:20.0 = 684W; 684*2.67/60 = 30.4 kWh

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » June 2nd, 2004, 8:47 pm

You're comparing 4:00 to 2:40. Of course 4:00 has more kWh than 2:40 -- because 4:00 is longer than 2:40.

[old] Ericr · Post by **[old] Ericr** » June 3rd, 2004, 3:20 am

And I think your formula for Kwh isn't right Ralph, if someone can hold 684w for one hour he produces 0,684 KWH. If someone could do more than 1 KWH he would be paddling along at 1:10,4 of faster Kilowatt-hour The kilowatt hour (symbol: kW·h) is a unit for measuring energy. It corresponds to one kilowatt (kW) of power being used over a period of one hour.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » June 3rd, 2004, 4:56 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Rogus @ Jun 2 2004, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (ranger @ Jun 2 2004, 09:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Yes, I won the lightweight gold and the heavyweight silver simultaneously. Yes, as I remember, the heavyweights rowed at the same time as the lightweights. In fact, I had a heavyweight rowing right next to me. I would say that we all struggle at 50-55 years old to be lean (e.g., the weight we were at 20-25 years old). To my knowledge, no lightweight male, 20-69 years old, has ever won the "unrestricted weight" category. Perhaps the rowing historians on this line could verify this for us. If you row 5:35, I suspect, none! Qualifying time this next year is about 6:26 for the 50s hwts, as I remember. That would be a nice goal for me to shoot for. Is that about where you're headed? ranger  </td></tr></table> Now that we've hijacked this thread. Seems kind of weird to compete together and then give separate awards. Then it's possible to win two hammers? I guess that's OK as long as you can monitor who it is that you're actually racing. I'd hate to finish my race thinking I'd won, only for them to tell me someone not being shown on the monitor beat me by .1 of a second. Do they seed which erg you use by time, weight, or is it just random order? I weigh pretty much what I did in college. Unfortunately, it's arranged a little differently now. Wasn't really wondering about the true lightweight winning the unrestricted category. Was more thinking whether a 166-185 Lb heavyweight had much of a chance in your humble opinion? OK, 5:35. Now I have a reasonable goal. Add me to the Graham, Dwayne race! Remember there are no qualifying times for the CRASH-Bs. Anyone can enter with any time or even with no time at all. Yes, that's about where I'm headed. </td></tr></table> Rogus-- Yes, you can win two hammers. If everyone rows together, then everyone is indeed on the monitor. Yes, rowers are seeded. Sure, anyone can enter the CRASH-Bs. You don't have to qualify. Qualifying is a nice goal (and benefit), though, and one that gives you a nice measure of what it might take to be in and around medal territory in your division. IMHO, there isn't much difference between someone less than 185 lbs. winning the hwt division and a lightweight winning it. Usually, the big guys that win are 250 lbs. or so and therefore have about a 30 second (or more) weight advantage on the littler guys. _Very_ good light heavyweights (such as Pete M.) are (and in all likelihood, will remain) _way_ out of the running for a heavyweight gold at the CRASH-Bs. ranger

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » June 3rd, 2004, 9:53 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (PaulS @ Jun 2 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (dadams @ Jun 2 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I literally fell off the erg after that one. I had nothing left!! Don't think I could have finished the other 329 meters even at a 3:00 split!!! </td></tr></table> Trying to decipher these references and they don't make much sense. 2000-329=1671m which if done in 4 minutes would be a 1:11.8 Avg Pace. Pretty impressive, even for you Dwayne. 1:22 for 4 minutes would cover 1463m. That plus 329m is 1792m (still well short of 2K), so what is "the other 329m" referring to? I was assuming it was the remainder to some competitive distance. Getting a 1K under 2:40 would be a good beginning to be sub 5:40 for the 2K, worked for Mr. Shurmei. - Paul Smith PS - What was the Rate and DF for that 4 minutes, sounds brutal!  </td></tr></table> Sorry, didn't check my fat fingered math before I posted. Meant to say 539.

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » June 3rd, 2004, 9:59 am

The Earl, as Paul asked, would be interested to know your damper settings for your distances, do you use the same for 500m through to Full Marathons. Also, what do you rate (spm) on a 500m, 1K & 2K? Sir Pirate

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » June 3rd, 2004, 11:11 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Ralph Earle @ Jun 3 2004, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>1460m in 4:00 beats 1K in 2:40 with a very big stick, Paul. 1460m in 4:00 = @ 1:22.2 = 630W; 630x4/60 = 42.0 kWh 1000m in 2:40 = @1:20.0 = 684W; 684*2.67/60 = 30.4 kWh </td></tr></table> Ralph, come on now, they are in similar leagues, but not the same division. It appears that Mr. Rupp's Doctors have got the dosage spot on. - Paul Smith

[old] Ralph Earle · Post by **[old] Ralph Earle** » June 3rd, 2004, 2:52 pm

OK, I'll do it right this time. As many forumites know, power drops off as the log of distance. The correlation is extremely high -- usually above 0.98 for any trained erger. So, for Mr Shurmei: Distance__Ln(D)__Pace 1000_____6.91__1:20.0 1460_____7.29__?:??.? 2000_____7.60__1:24.9 ( 5:39.6 at CRASH-B ) His projected pace for 1460m is 1:20.0 + (1:24.9-1:20.0)*(7.29-6.91)/(7.60-6.91) = 1:22.7. Dwayne Adams' pace for 1460m in 4:00.0 = 1:22.2, a winner by 1.5s head-to-head over 1500m. Your opinion may vary ...

[old] Ralph Earle · Post by **[old] Ralph Earle** » June 3rd, 2004, 8:10 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Ericr: And I think your formula for Kwh isn't right Ralph, if someone can hold 684w for one hour he produces 0,684 KWH. </td></tr></table> You're right, Eric, and let's hope no one else here at Hawaiian Electric reads this forum! (I type kWh so often that my fingers have a mind of their own.)

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » June 4th, 2004, 10:44 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Ralph Earle @ Jun 3 2004, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>OK, I'll do it right this time. As many forumites know, power drops off as the log of distance. The correlation is extremely high -- usually above 0.98 for any trained erger. So, for Mr Shurmei: Distance__Ln(D)__Pace 1000_____6.91__1:20.0 1460_____7.29__?:??.? 2000_____7.60__1:24.9 ( 5:39.6 at CRASH-B ) His projected pace for 1460m is 1:20.0 + (1:24.9-1:20.0)*(7.29-6.91)/(7.60-6.91) = 1:22.7. Dwayne Adams' pace for 1460m in 4:00.0 = 1:22.2, a winner by 1.5s head-to-head over 1500m. Your opinion may vary ... </td></tr></table> And I always thought that the 4 minute event was reserved for the kids! I suppose the kids are growing bigger these days. Cheers, Paul Flack

[old] chickenlegs · Post by **[old] chickenlegs** » June 5th, 2004, 12:21 am

one question: has anyone here ever seen D Adams pull a sub 6 minute 2000 m? chickenlegs

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » June 6th, 2004, 1:47 pm

I found this note from concept in the rankings. "4 Minute Row This is our kids category - designed for children ages 5-14 " Chicken Legs, Dwayne had to qualify for both the 2002 and 2003 Indoor Rowing Teams. Somebody saw him row some very fast times in order for him to qualify. Those people may not write on this forum, but somebody reputable saw him row. Cheers, Paul Flack

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