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[old] GeorgeD · Post by **[old] GeorgeD** » May 30th, 2004, 4:44 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (ranger @ May 30 2004, 08:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> This is a serious issue for your time and energy, because you seem to be interested in fiddling with these things  </td></tr></table><br> Just a 'ps' to put your mind at ease .... with the exception of raising my foot plate one notch and dropping my drag form 145 to 135 my stroke / techniquevis fundamentally unchanged from the end of my first month of erging till now after I learnt the error of some of my ways.<br><br>Since then the two most important things I have worked on have been getting the hands away promptly at the end of the drive and more recently making sure I make full use of my legs thru to the finish of the drive ....<br><br>Apart from that I am to exhausted to tinker <br><br>- George

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » May 31st, 2004, 1:13 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Apart from that I am to exhausted to tinker [biggrin.gif]  </td></tr></table><br><br>George--<br><br>_That_ won't last long! You are a thinker, man. From what I have heard, you like the mind game as much as the rowing itself--and good for you! Before all is said and done, you will be tinkering so much it will make your/our heads spin! Tinkering is part of the game, at some point, perhaps, _most_ of the game. And if you tinker with things like "getting full use of the legs" and the like, the results of the tinkering can be _very_ significant. It is only tinkering with the _insignificant_ things that are a waste of time.<br><br>Tinker away!<br><br>By the way, it seems to me that the most significant things to tinker with are the things that seem almost impossibly resistant to change and therefore take enormous effort to alter. That is why, to me, things like handle position at the finish, backward lean, holes showing at the footplate, and such like are not very significant. They can be changed instantly. Things like drag, timing, sequencing, and ratio are _much_, _much_ harder to change (for the better). To change these things, you have to pay a price. _Tough_ tinkering! <br><br>Best,<br><br>ranger

[old] Rogus · Post by **[old] Rogus** » May 31st, 2004, 2:20 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (ranger @ May 31 2004, 09:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Things like drag, timing, sequencing, and ratio are _much_, _much_ harder to change (for the better).<br>  </td></tr></table><br> So, Ranger, how many years has it taken for you to learn to change the drag factor? That must have been a tough one for you!

[old] Nick Rockliff · Post by **[old] Nick Rockliff** » May 31st, 2004, 2:33 pm

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » May 31st, 2004, 2:38 pm

Forget all this BentonV Adams stuff. I want to see Rogus V Ranger. Scissors Stone Paper challange. (Age and weight taken into account of course <br><br>Sir Pirate

[old] Charles Carroll · Post by **[old] Charles Carroll** » May 31st, 2004, 5:42 pm

I can only speak from experience. In my case sculling has taught me more about technique on an erg than anything else I have seen or read or witnessed about this subject. This includes the discussion on this Forum.

[old] GeorgeD · Post by **[old] GeorgeD** » May 31st, 2004, 6:08 pm

This post contained pettiness which has been expunged

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » May 31st, 2004, 8:14 pm

[wuote]<br><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>its going to get pretty tiresome in the end if every thread decends in verbal garbage <br><br> </td></tr></table><br>Are you giving an example of that, George. <br><br>It would indeed be tiresome if everyone was made to think the same old way, and had no creative thought or independent thinking of their own. <br><br>Thus I rather enjoy Pirate's refreshing contributions.

[old] Rogus · Post by **[old] Rogus** » May 31st, 2004, 9:29 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (Sir Pirate @ May 31 2004, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Scissors Stone Paper challange.  </td></tr></table><br> Not only can't you get weight measurements correct, but you can't get the game right either! It's Rock, Paper, Scissors! <br><br>George,<br><br>Sir Pirate isn't being mean or trying to stir things up in a negative way as far as I'm concerned. It's just fun teasing. I think it's funny. I enjoy the banter, comments and different point of views. I even read all of Ranger's posts. They're like a car wreak. Don't really want to see them, but can't help looking. Hard as this may be to believe, but some comments I've made in an attempt to be humorous, could be taken in the wrong spirit. Ranger has never taken them that way.

[old] GeorgeD · Post by **[old] GeorgeD** » May 31st, 2004, 10:16 pm

I dont have a problem with the trash talk at all ..... it is fun. My only complaint would be that it tends to find its way into so many threads then they get side tracked from the issue.<br><br>Thats why I think that the General forum is a gr8 place for all the banter in the world and I am happy to take it and dish it up .... but I think the training forum apart from the odd side comment is not the place.<br><br>As to Ranger I like to read his posts as well and while he drives me nuts sometimes and 'invites' some 'trash' he adds a lot to the forum even if it is just to provoke thought, and doesnt deserve what I see sometimes as 'baiting'. (by the way we're not related and he doesn't need me to defend him )<br><br>The Dwayne v Graham poll was designed to promote 'friendly division' as it did on the UK forum where we know it was thrashed to death, if it needed to be started again here then ok but I would hate to see it send its tendrils thru the rest of the 'board' IMHO (actually I am not very H )

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » June 1st, 2004, 1:00 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>it seems to me that the most significant things to tinker with are the things that seem almost impossibly resistant to change and therefore take enormous effort to alter.<br><br> </td></tr></table><br>Excellent and interesting observation.<br>

[old] GeorgeD · Post by **[old] GeorgeD** » June 1st, 2004, 3:42 am

Come on John this is not like you to be a cheer leader but I to agree with Rangers comment except surely it is not tinkering if one is changing a 'fundamental' aspect of ones stroke ... (just being pedantic seeing I know Ranger likes the correct phraseology)<br><br>I would like to read a few of the accomplished people on the forum give a walk thru of their understanding and experience of their stroke ... not just the mechanics but how the stroke actually 'feels' if that is possible<br><br>- George

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » June 1st, 2004, 4:06 am

Apologies if I have annoyed anybody with the nature/positioning of my posts. It was only done to lighten the mood. <br><br>Life is too short to be serious all the time.<br><br>Sir Pirate

[old] GeorgeD · Post by **[old] GeorgeD** » June 1st, 2004, 4:23 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'><span class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></span> (Sir Pirate @ Jun 1 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Apologies if I have annoyed anybody with the nature/positioning of my posts. It was only done to lighten the mood. <br><br>Life is too short to be serious all the time.<br><br>Sir Pirate  </td></tr></table><br> The apology is mine to make M'lud

[old] eurofoot13 · Post by **[old] eurofoot13** » June 1st, 2004, 5:39 pm

my advice to you would be what my coach has always stressed. SUSPENSION. drop your shoulders to a normal resting spot, straighten your arms until you aare supposed to pull into the body and don't put our shoulders more than 6" behind your hips when you open your back. Just hanging on the handle really helps. <br> As for foot plate position - I've always brought it up to the smallest position it goes at - and I am a size 14 foot. I have found that the edge of the plate being right up against the balls of your toes helps the catch power immensely.

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