Storing Handle

c2jonw · Post by **c2jonw** » February 7th, 2018, 11:58 am

First of all I stand corrected - the rationale for leaving the handle up by the flywheel wasn't apparently to protect the shockcord it was to protect the 'old style' chain (presumably to avoid stretch) which came in around 2003/2004. Why it would therefore be mentioned in a 2014 manual I have no idea.

If you have anew model and a new chain then you can leave the handle anywhere you like according to C2. If you have an older model with an older chain that hasn't been replaced then you should, according to C2, continue to leave the handle by the fly wheel.

You may think there wont be many models out there of that vintage that haven't changed the chain, but I have a 2003 model which only had the chain changed for the first time last week and the service guy said it was in great condition and didnt need done. But I wanted a nickel plated 'new' chain so he swapped it over.

So the answer to the question depends on the age of the chain

No, it has absolutely nothing to do with the chain. It was about the bungee, specifically on Model A and B machines. C2JonW

Mat · Post by **Mat** » February 7th, 2018, 12:48 pm

c2jonw wrote:
Looks like C2JonW needs to push an update to the "official advice". Perhaps it should go on github then the community could make changes/corrections and ask the docs folks to make things permanent with a pull request.

There's a lot to be said about open source docs.
Yup, right you are! Anybody got a link to that? I found that instruction in the online Model C Users Manual which we do not typically revise- but I'm not finding it in any of the Model D/E literature.....C2JonW

Hi Jon!

It's in the Indoor Rower Product Manual (Version 0214) on page 6. And I have downloaded it from the concept2 homepage in February 2015. Right now you can download version 0917 which misses the handle hook part.

Hope this helps.

Mat

smeeagain · Post by **smeeagain** » February 7th, 2018, 1:33 pm

c2jonw wrote:
First of all I stand corrected - the rationale for leaving the handle up by the flywheel wasn't apparently to protect the shockcord it was to protect the 'old style' chain (presumably to avoid stretch) which came in around 2003/2004. Why it would therefore be mentioned in a 2014 manual I have no idea.

If you have anew model and a new chain then you can leave the handle anywhere you like according to C2. If you have an older model with an older chain that hasn't been replaced then you should, according to C2, continue to leave the handle by the fly wheel.

You may think there wont be many models out there of that vintage that haven't changed the chain, but I have a 2003 model which only had the chain changed for the first time last week and the service guy said it was in great condition and didnt need done. But I wanted a nickel plated 'new' chain so he swapped it over.

So the answer to the question depends on the age of the chain
No, it has absolutely nothing to do with the chain. It was about the bungee, specifically on Model A and B machines. C2JonW

Personally, I agree with you, but that's not what Concept 2in the uk emailed me with today!

Citroen · Post by **Citroen** » February 8th, 2018, 7:45 am

Can someone post a URL for the incorrect docs.

If C2UK have sent an email that's less than correct I'm fairly sure JonW at concept2 dot com would be interested in getting a copy.

smeeagain · Post by **smeeagain** » February 8th, 2018, 8:31 am

Citroen wrote:Can someone post a URL for the incorrect docs.

If C2UK have sent an email that's less than correct I'm fairly sure JonW at concept2 dot com would be interested in getting a copy.

Yes they sent e an email and Im happy to share. Will send it on to him, thanks

Smee

smeeagain · Post by **smeeagain** » February 18th, 2018, 6:34 pm

C2jonw I forearded you that email - are you now able to post a definitive answer on this please?

smeeagain · Post by **smeeagain** » February 19th, 2018, 7:47 pm

c2jonw wrote:Leave the handle wherever you like. The advice to put the handle back at the chain guide is a leftover from the Model A and B days when we used a generic shock cord that would lose it's elasticity over time. With the Model C forward we reconfigured the return mechanism so the shock cord isn't being stretched as much and we're using a much better cord. Dust coming in the damper when not in use? Never heard that one. Unless there's a wind storm I would think ambient dust would most likely enter through the top of the perforated metal outlet......C2JonW

Ok, so the plot thickens, c2jonw....... Having forwarded you the email from Concept UK, which you asked me if you could forward back to them, advising that the handle should be left by the chain guide and not in the handle hook, to protect the chain (not the shockcord), they have now conceded their error about the chain, but have re-iterated that it is to protect the shockcord and that the handle should be left the chain guide. The precise wording of their latest email now reads as follows "The advice remains the same about where the handle should reside when the rower is stored and that is up against the chain guide and not in the handle hook, which should be used to reach for the handle after you are seated comfortable with your feet strapped in".

So this directly contradicts your advice about leaving the handle wherever you like

So what's going on ?!?!?

Smee

Ombrax · Post by **Ombrax** » February 20th, 2018, 1:09 am

Since it really isn't that difficult a job, I just put the handle up to the chain guard when I'm done regardless of the model rower I'm using.

This could turn out to be a contentious issue...

c2jonw · Post by **c2jonw** » February 20th, 2018, 9:46 am

My original post.....enough said.......C2JonW

jackarabit · Post by **jackarabit** » February 20th, 2018, 1:17 pm

Ombrax, I cling to the faint hope that housing the handle will not become a gender-bias issue

smeeagain · Post by **smeeagain** » February 20th, 2018, 8:05 pm

c2jonw wrote:My original post.....enough said.......C2JonW

No, it's not enough said. yesterday I had an email from Concept 2 uk contradicting your post. So 'enough said' doesn't cover it. as I forwarded their email fro you to take up with them, perhaps you'd like to take it up with them again. Im not saying they are right and you are wrong, or vice versa, but them getting it wrong twice is unprofessional, pathetic appalling [expletive deleted], apply any relevant adjective you want. and its not resolved til its resolved. Email me again if you want this email forwarded to you as you wanted with the last one.

Smee

Ombrax · Post by **Ombrax** » February 20th, 2018, 8:54 pm

https://youtu.be/2H-Cs-fi5tA

Citroen · Post by **Citroen** » February 21st, 2018, 1:15 am

smeeagain wrote:Im not saying they are right and you are wrong, or vice versa, but them getting it wrong twice is unprofessional, ...

Jon has worked in Concept2's engineering many years, he knows what he's talking about. If you're disturbed by Concept2 UK appearing to contradict their C2USA engineers I'd suggest you pick up the phone, call +44 115 9340140 and ask to talk to the C2UK folks you've been corresponding with. There's no point ranting on this forum which they don't use. Please be more polite when you call them.

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