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[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » November 9th, 2004, 1:34 am

Many thanks Ozzie-One Kenobi . Yet another posting full of wise words! Your words and Dwayne's have certainly given me a (friendly) kick up the backside and will direct my training in a more productive and structured way. I think the biggest problem I'm going to find is having to increase my stroke rate . I feel most comfortable at 28-29spm and only manage to get up to anything like 31 in short bursts at the end. Looking at others' splits, I suspect I'm going to have to get used to rowing 36-38spm if I'm at all serious about getting respectable times for the 2K. At the moment, my rowing style just doesn't do fast strokes (yet another challenge to overcome). I'm planning on buying the Oarsome Foursome Training DVD at BIRC so I'm hoping this will enable me to iron out the issues with my technique that hinder my ability to do a fast stroke rate (fast for me anyway!). Thanks again!

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » November 9th, 2004, 4:22 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Niall @ Nov 9 2004, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Many thanks Ozzie-One Kenobi . Yet another posting full of wise words! Your words and Dwayne's have certainly given me a (friendly) kick up the backside and will direct my training in a more productive and structured way. I think the biggest problem I'm going to find is having to increase my stroke rate . I feel most comfortable at 28-29spm and only manage to get up to anything like 31 in short bursts at the end. Looking at others' splits, I suspect I'm going to have to get used to rowing 36-38spm if I'm at all serious about getting respectable times for the 2K. At the moment, my rowing style just doesn't do fast strokes (yet another challenge to overcome).  </td></tr></table> My pleasure Niall, not sure about the wise part - I'm certainly old enough to play that role though ! Re your high rating concern - hopefully once you get used to the new 'feel' of the catch on low DF you will find you can be more EXPLOSIVE and POWERFUL at the catch without the corresponding sense of strain and fatigue that sets in after a while when the DF is high. The stroke then becomes - Explosive controlled leg-drive catch, smooth finish, easy glide forward gathering for next explosive catch (repeat 219 times for a sub 7 2K ). With your powerful build and endurance you should be able to do 1:45's at about 32-34 SPM once the 'new' technique is mastered, and only need 36-38 SPM for that quick start/finish for a piece (500m excepted - anything goes ?!) As a rough guide, I'm currently doing :- HM at 2:00 pace, 24/25 SPM 10K at 1:53 pace, 26/27 SPM 5K at 1:48 pace, 28/29 SPM 2K at 1:44pace 32/33 SPM All at a DF of about 117-120 Obviously others could point to a different set of numbers that work for them (esp. Speedy !) but I've listed mine to illustrate what ratings/times can be achieved on a low DF. Remember Luke, beware of the DF "Dark Side" "Obe-Wan" PS Make sure though not to lose sight of the #1 rule of erging - "It's supposed to be fun !" (in a perverse kinda way)

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » November 9th, 2004, 9:53 am

This is for Chippy, Chris and Debra - You three are so close to getting that first million for the season. Why not just do it today, or at least by the end of the week? Nail that baby!! Get over the hump!! Send the first million packin'!! (and any other metephor you can think of). Speedy

[old] DavidA · Post by **[old] DavidA** » November 9th, 2004, 2:30 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (dadams @ Nov 6 2004, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Xeno's 2:30 goes down the tubes!!!! Mine was done without slides. TAFFS RULE!!!!! Speedy  </td></tr></table> Are you sure you didn't set it for 32195 m? Congratulations! As with many of your other erging feats, that was quite incredible! As others have said, I wish I could keep that pace for a 2 km row. You mentioned that you are being a foster parent now as well. How old is your kid, and is that working out, especiall being an instant parent when you just got married?

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » November 9th, 2004, 2:33 pm

Did two sessions today (so far, might go out again later). 11am: 6k RowPro internet session done in 500m slow, 500m fast intervals. Slow were around 2:10-2:15, "fast" around 1:47 with the last one at 1:35. Avg 1:59.8, so quite a lot slower than a straight 6k for me. 5:30pm: 5k RowPro internet session done flat out. 18:40.5 (1:52.1) which is a new PB, shaving 1.7 seconds off my time from 5 days ago. I was feeling tired from the 6k earlier, and maybe my 42k on Sunday, and after setting off at around PB pace I really slacked in the second 1500m. At halfway I kicked back into the right mental state and give it a kick, dragging what would have been a PB+25 seconds row into a sub-PB. Makes me think I should have it to break the PB again when I attack it fresh. 1:54.70 28 8.3 1:52.60 31 7.9 1:56.10 32 7.0 <- "OK, I'll just coast this one" 1:55.70 32 7.1 1:54.80 32 7.2 1:52.60 32 7.7 <- "B*ll*cks to that, lazy git" 1:50.80 32 8.0 1:50.90 32 8.0 1:48.50 32 8.6 1:43.90 34 9.2 <- "Home, James, and don't spare the horses" 5000 m, 596 strokes, 8.39m avg DPS, 32.1 avg SPM, 7.8 avg SPI

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » November 9th, 2004, 2:37 pm

Daren, You a regular machine with the pb's. Congrats. Speedy

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » November 9th, 2004, 2:57 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Daren C @ Nov 9 2004, 08:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>5k RowPro internet session done flat out. 18:40.5 (1:52.1) which is a new PB, shaving 1.7 seconds off my time from 5 days ago. </td></tr></table> Time to update your signature - time to update Nonathlon. Well done.

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » November 9th, 2004, 2:57 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (DavidA @ Nov 9 2004, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> You mentioned that you are being a foster parent now as well. How old is your kid, and is that working out, especiall being an instant parent when you just got married?  </td></tr></table> David, He's two. And quite a handfull. And yes, becoming an instant parent is quite the challenge. But worth every minute. Dwayne

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » November 9th, 2004, 3:24 pm

Don't talk to me about two-year-olds! =) My son, Elias, is two, and becoming quite a little monster. No wonder they're called "the terrible twos".

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » November 9th, 2004, 5:18 pm

Great PB Daren especially given the timing following some hard days rowing. Martin, Many thanks for the info on your pacing over the different distances, it's certainly something to consider. I'm pleased to let you know that I had a go at a 10K this morning and followed the new DF rule. It was a choice between 129 and 116 so I went for 116. I started off at 29spm and I must admit it felt very comfortable and I was very pleased to see the rate at 1:55 (even though it felt more like 1:59 from previous rows/DFs). I thought I'd see how long I could maintain this comfortably and was pleased to still be there after 10 minutes. Now for the bad news. I think the new DF and pace really sorted my technique out as I seemed to rely more on my legs (that's good, right?) and unfortunately, I've never had very strong legs and always relied on my upper body strength. So my legs really struggled after 2,500m and the rate slowed down considerably to the point where I couldn't go on after 5000m (I can see Bernard smiling!). Lesson learnt then is that I need to keep going and work on my leg strength. But I must say, the lower DF and stroke felt very good. The real test will be my next 2K test (probably Friday) to see if I can maintain a high (30/32) stroke rate. And I absolutely agree with your sentiment that erging should be fun. I know I'm a very focused and enthusiastic individual but I am enjoying it. If I wasn't in it for the fun, I wouldn't be part of Taff Attack

[old] DavidA · Post by **[old] DavidA** » November 9th, 2004, 6:12 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (dadams @ Nov 9 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>David, He's two. And quite a handfull. And yes, becoming an instant parent is quite the challenge. But worth every minute. Dwayne  </td></tr></table> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (daren c @ Nov 9 2004, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Don't talk to me about two-year-olds! =) My son, Elias, is two, and becoming quite a little monster. No wonder they're called "the terrible twos". </td></tr></table> My youngest is three, also a bit of challenge, , but kids are great !!

[old] JSamuel · Post by **[old] JSamuel** » November 9th, 2004, 6:18 pm

I've just been rowing on whatever damper setting the machine was previously left on in my local gym, which usually means number 10 on the slider. Reading advice in recent posts today I took it down until the DF was 130 but I found it more difficult than usual. I did 7850m in 30mins which seemed a bit slow for the amount of effort I had to put in. Like Niall I found it harder on my legs as I went on. Times went from around 1:53 in the first 10minutes to around 1:58 average for the last 10. I guess I just need to get used to it and/or improve my technique. On another note, did anyone else suffer from painful calluses when they started rowing? I've had calluses on my palms at the bottom of each finger for a while from lifting weights but they've never been painful. They've now gone black under the skin and are painful when rowing, preventing me from doing as much as I'd like. Does anyone wear gloves or anything? Well done on the PB, Daren.

[old] ramboyo · Post by **[old] ramboyo** » November 9th, 2004, 6:27 pm

Hi Mike, how's the new erg? Happy Birthday Rickster you're catching me up!!!

[old] chippy · Post by **[old] chippy** » November 9th, 2004, 6:46 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (ramboyo @ Nov 9 2004, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Hi Mike, how's the new erg? Happy Birthday Rickster you're catching me up!!!  </td></tr></table> [QUOTE] Rickster Happy birthday,now your grown up you might catch me up on the wieghts.!!!!! J.S I also had trouble with my hands untill i got some squash handle grips from the Rickster, i put them on my machine and had no trouble from there on.Chris has also got some on Ole Smokey. Chippy.

[old] chippy · Post by **[old] chippy** » November 9th, 2004, 6:52 pm

Taffians Forgot to mention that Dykie did his first HM this week but is to shy to say he achieved. Chippy.

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