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[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 22nd, 2004, 7:20 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (DavidA @ Oct 22 2004, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Martin, For the Nonathlon you are allowed to use a race time to calculate any shorter race time. For example if you do a 10 km you could use your mean split time to calculate the .5, 1, 2, 5 and 6 km times, as well as a 30 min distance. This is because it assumed if you could do a 10 km at that pace you certainly could do a shorter distance at that same pace. For the C2 rankings it has to be from a dead start, i.e. the way you indicated you were going to make your 10 km attempt. You can record the times for the first, .5, 1, 2, 5, 6 km and 30 min on your way to the 10 km. Good luck with it all  </td></tr></table> Thanks David A (A - ?), That clears it up perfectly - wasn't sure about ethics etc. I need some incentives in the middle stages of a 10k PB attempt and thought aiming for current 6K and 30 min PBs should provide motivation as an antidote to pain !! Martin

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 22nd, 2004, 7:32 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Godfried @ Oct 22 2004, 02:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> The new : <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/taff-paces.pdf' target='_blank'>click for paces</a> - <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/taff-nonathlon.pdf' target='_blank'>click for points</a>. After collecting from Nonathlon almost all is automatic , just remember to update your Nonathlon.  </td></tr></table> Terrific thanks Godfried. Now all we need is for Carla to 'tidy up' the shorter distances - looks VERY higgeldy-piggeldy at the moment, not a nice curve at all ! Has Rickster got enough times to be a part of it ? Can I ask for a couple of refinements ? 1) for the Nonathlon chart most of the scores fall in the 800 - 900 band and so the lines are very close together, bit hard to read. Can the scale be changed ? e.g. make legend horizontal, get rid of 700 and below (don't worry about Niall's total dropping off the bottom, he'll just have to get a move on with those 0 scores !!!) 2) Also for Nonathlon, can line joining Marathon dot to 'Total' dot be removed ? Looks less cluttered then. Thanks Mr "Stats" Martin PS Nice Graph for Chris vs Niall - though I think it perhaps should be vs Chippy ?!

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 22nd, 2004, 8:03 pm

Hi Taffs, Great end to the week Niall. Superb 5K row - splits almost mirror a good 2K strategy, just repeat for your next 2K thinking of it as that 5K with 10 secs off the Ave Pace ! Still on for the HM on Sunday ? (it was you wasn't it - starting to lose track with so many posts). Hi to Debra, how's the erging ? Don't be shy to tell all - after all, standing on a soapbox is all part of being Welsh Welcome back Mr Grumpy, you wasted no time moving up the ladder I see. What's happened to Trish - rigor mortis set in after a tough erg session ?? Great video Daren - feel like I know you so much better after viewing it. Off to the gym now to knock of that new PB of Chris's (15079, 1:07, pop) Martin

[old] CAROLE MAC · Post by **[old] CAROLE MAC** » October 22nd, 2004, 8:10 pm

PIRATE .............................SLAP................... Morris you ain't to big to take over my knee young man ..... Sorry folks I am Oarful to the core ........................my boys .... awwwww ... mind you got a soft spot for the Old Taffians they are almost as nutty as me .......

[old] Mikez · Post by **[old] Mikez** » October 22nd, 2004, 11:43 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (CAROLE MAC @ Oct 22 2004, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>[Sorry folks I am Oarful to the core ........................my boys .... awwwww ... mind you got a soft spot for the Old Taffians they are almost as nutty as me ....... </td></tr></table> Carol, If you reconsider I will throw in two dozen dunkin donuts. Theyare real popular with my guys Dwayne 6 Million I do not know how you do it, my butt is so sore from tryiny to add a 100,000 this weekend, ouch ouch ouch. I am amazed. Bore da an amazing distance I was surprised to see that it just happened to pass your nearest teammate by one meter What a outstanding lucky break Godfried, thanks for smilie lesson I am also on the Nonathlon, although my points and events are few, I will try to pick up and then watch out folks. As for update on weekends 100,000 I hope you all realize I meant to do it over the coarse of the weekend not all at once I mean I may be crazy to do so much but not insane Today I did three rows for a total of 40791, I cannot fathom how Dwayne does the 30-35 thousand a day. Tommorow another 40 thousand and then an easy Sunday. How do you guys get all the split times??? Mike

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 23rd, 2004, 12:34 am

Hi Gang, Want to hear about my latest 10K ? No ? Well - too bad, here it is Went to the gym feeling really flat mentally, considered a 60 min, couldn't be stuffed so settled for a 10K'er. Aiming for 6K (1:50 pace) and 30 min (1:52 pace) PB's so off we went (splits were set for every 2K for brevity - hides a multitude of sins !) - 2000m 1:50.9 - Still on 6K PB pace sort of. 4000m 1:55.2 - mentally 'blew up' at 3K mark, couldn't care less, did some 2:30's, Bye Bye 6K pb ! 6000m 1:54.6 - Back on horse, 30 min PB still there, mentally 'blew up' again, repeat of above ! Bye Bye 30 min PB. 8000m 1:51:6 - Back on horse, 10K PB still a chance. 10000m 1:49.9 - Motivated at last !!! Get that Ave Pace below 1:52.5 and I had a sub 37:30 ! Pulling 1:43's for last 250m - should be going for a 2K PB End Result - 37:28:6 at 152:4 Ave Pace, 28 SPM (except 2:30's !), DF 117 . Old PB Carla - 37:53, increase in Nonathlon points - miserly 12 (that 4th power curve is deadly !) Post Mortem :- 1) Classic example of how NOT to row a 10K 2) Doesn't matter how it's done, a PB feels GREAT !!!! 3) Getting ahead of PB Ave Pace allows a loaf or two I'm dedicating this one to Mrs Mac. Thanks Carole, your timely Cheerio this morning was just the ticket to get me to the gym in the first place (hope you got my reply - I was flying blind with the technology). Cheers from one stoked Taff, Martin PS Mike - splits can be viewed by repeated pushing of the 'M' button (on PM2) located bottom Left hand corner once a piece is completed. Have a play around with this feature next time you do a piece. Splits default to every 500m or 2 mins but can be set to different values for a piece if you wish (I set mine for every 2K for the above 10K e.g.)

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » October 23rd, 2004, 1:00 am

Great job Martin, it's the hardest thing to get back on the horse when you've jumped off a few times...amazing that you pulled off a PB after all those times you could have just bagged it utterly. Mike, you must be totally nuts! There's no way I can keep up with a plan like that. If this is a huge amount more than you normally do, make sure you are stretching!!! I had a crappy row today, during which I mentally quit a million times. Couldn't make myself do a %$#$@*& thing. Finally I got so that whatever number of meters I had left of the piece (ended up doing 15K of "mixed junk", which means alternately quitting, sprinting, and lethargically flopping up and down the rail) I would set the meter for so I could get going again at the average I was trying to hit, which was just 2:05, but wasn't happening. So if I stopped and reset the monitor I could then make myself work for the remaining meters, but not if it had gone up to 2:23 or some absurd pace--it was too much of a downer! Oh well, one of those workouts where all it's worth is meters for the team. Tomorrow is another day... Carla

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 23rd, 2004, 1:30 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (CAROLE MAC @ Oct 22 2004, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Sorry folks I am Oarful to the core ........................my boys .... awwwww ... mind you got a soft spot for the Old Taffians they are almost as nutty as me .......  </td></tr></table> Good thinking 99, that should put them off the scent "Max"

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 23rd, 2004, 1:46 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (seat5 @ Oct 23 2004, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I had a crappy row today, during which I mentally quit a million times. Oh well, one of those workouts where all it's worth is meters for the team. Tomorrow is another day... Carla  </td></tr></table> Know just how you feel Carla. Its times like this the Gym comes into it's own, with plenty of characters around to act as a pleasant distraction - BM's for me, big beefy guys for you ? 'Metres for the team' - epitomises the Taff spirit ! Great Looks like Mike's erging off into the sunset, lets catch Mr Parry eh. Enjoy tomorrow, Martin

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » October 23rd, 2004, 2:49 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>1) Get rid of 700 and below (don't worry about Niall's total dropping off the bottom, he'll just have to get a move on with those 0 scores !!!) 2) Also for Nonathlon, can line joining Marathon dot to 'Total' dot be removed ?  </td></tr></table> The new : <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/taff-paces.pdf' target='_blank'>click for paces</a> - <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/taff-nonathlon.pdf' target='_blank'>click for points</a>. I started at 650 - did not want to trow Mikez off. </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 23 2004, 01:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>PS Nice Graph for Chris vs Niall - though I think it perhaps should be vs Chippy ?! </td></tr></table> I stand corrected. OK, <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/BoreDa_Chippy.pdf' target='_blank'>there are 2 pages</a> , and if this is what you do you will meet halfway.

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 23rd, 2004, 3:21 am

Looks great Godfried - Thanks. My latest 10K has stuffed up my nice pace curve somewhat ! Looks like Speedy and Carla meet nicely at the Marathon point in the Nonathlon according to the trend lines !! Martin

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » October 23rd, 2004, 3:28 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (CAROLE MAC @ Oct 23 2004, 12:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Morris you ain't to big to take over my knee young man .....  </td></tr></table> I'm free any time tomorrow Mrs Mac Sir Pirate

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » October 23rd, 2004, 9:11 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE ("AussieTaff")</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>End Result - 37:28:6 at 152:4 Ave Pace, 28 SPM (except 2:30's !), DF 117 . 1) Classic example of how NOT to row a 10K  </td></tr></table> Hehehe, brilliant, Martin. Good to know that it's not only me that blows up horribly on some rows, and also good to see that you've got the balls to get back on when you fall off. =) Yesterday, I said: </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE ("Daren C")</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>39:04.0 (1:57.2). I'm really pleased because it's a huge chunk off, and my first sub-40, but at the same time I'm a little disappointed because for some of the row I reckoned sub-39 was on the cards. Damn, damn, damn! A mere 4 seconds. That's what, a couple of extra hard strokes in the early part of the row. I'm such a slacker! I aim to tackle this again and get under 39 minutes soon. Oh yes. Watch this space </td></tr></table> Well, you don't have to watch it any longer. If at first you don't succeed, grit your teeth and try again. Today I rowed a RowPro Internet session. The piece was set for 10k, and after 1000m I felt OK, and it looked like a sub-39 could be on the cards if I worked at it. Result, a new 10K PB, knocking 29.5 seconds off yesterday's time to finish in... 38:34.5 (1:55.7) Cue James Brown... I feel good!

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » October 23rd, 2004, 9:45 am

Daren, You are going like a bullet, pb's everydays. Well done too you, you are putting in the work and getting your efforts rewarded. Keep it up Sir Pirate

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » October 23rd, 2004, 10:38 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 23 2004, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>38:34.5 (1:55.7) </td></tr></table> Good work! Let me see the splits! And update your Nonathlon , how can a guy do his work like this.

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