Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by jamesg » February 6th, 2017, 7:01 am

For a crew all with the same size, weight and age, more or less, it'll likely be a good idea if drag is the same for all too. Afloat it will be, even though what counts is gearing, not drag, so might as well get used to it. On the other hand ergers can be LW grandmothers or VHW rugby players or anywhere in between.
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by Citroen » February 6th, 2017, 6:49 pm

Oarsome Fitness wrote:I'm sure that the indoor championships and all official records have to be done at that drag too.
There was just one indoor rowing champs that had a prescriptive drag. 99.999% of competitions let you set the drag you want. The racing software displays the drag when it's in "Ready to Warm-up" mode.

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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by Rod » February 7th, 2017, 5:16 am

Oarsome Fitness wrote:I'm sure that the indoor championships and all official records have to be done at that drag too.
No, that's not the case, in all Championship races you can set the drag wherever you like.

Cyclists don't get told what gears to use in a race so why should ergers have to use a set drag factor, that would not make sense at all.
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by aussieluke » February 7th, 2017, 11:53 am

Rod wrote:
Oarsome Fitness wrote:I'm sure that the indoor championships and all official records have to be done at that drag too.
No, that's not the case, in all Championship races you can set the drag wherever you like.

Cyclists don't get told what gears to use in a race so why should ergers have to use a set drag factor, that would not make sense at all.
Proof if ever needed that one drag factor is not 'better' than another... and just putting it on 10 is definitely not faster.

Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by hjs » February 7th, 2017, 12:04 pm

aussieluke wrote:
Rod wrote:
Oarsome Fitness wrote:I'm sure that the indoor championships and all official records have to be done at that drag too.
No, that's not the case, in all Championship races you can set the drag wherever you like.

Cyclists don't get told what gears to use in a race so why should ergers have to use a set drag factor, that would not make sense at all.
Proof if ever needed that one drag factor is not 'better' than another... and just putting it on 10 is definitely not faster.

Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
Not that I know, never seen it.

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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by ArmandoChavezUNC » February 7th, 2017, 12:15 pm

aussieluke wrote:Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
They are not, and there isn't strong correlation between drag factor and erg score.

Azou, one of two LW men to go sub 6:00, ergs his 2k at a drag of 160. Waddell is said to have rowed his WR 2k at a drag of 90. It's all about what works for you and what you're comfortable with.

Edit: Typed 6:10 instead of 6:00.
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by aussieluke » February 7th, 2017, 12:49 pm

ArmandoChavezUNC wrote:
aussieluke wrote:Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
They are not, and there isn't strong correlation between drag factor and erg score.

Azou, one of two LW men to go sub 6:10, ergs his 2k at a drag of 160. Waddell is said to have rowed his WR 2k at a drag of 90. It's all about what works for you and what you're comfortable with.
Yeah I totally get that just thought it would be interesting to see.

And a great way of explaining why no one ever needs to just put it on 10 !
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by hjs » February 7th, 2017, 12:58 pm

aussieluke wrote:
ArmandoChavezUNC wrote:
aussieluke wrote:Curious, are drag factors recorded with all the other stats from comps like crash-b's? Would be interesting to see the range of drag factors that people choose to use and if there is any correlation to scores etc.
They are not, and there isn't strong correlation between drag factor and erg score.

Azou, one of two LW men to go sub 6:10, ergs his 2k at a drag of 160. Waddell is said to have rowed his WR 2k at a drag of 90. It's all about what works for you and what you're comfortable with.
Yeah I totally get that just thought it would be interesting to see.

And a great way of explaining why no one ever needs to just put it on 10 !
Thats not true, some people do, in general otw guys use a modest drag, non rowers not seldom a bit higher. Drag is displayed during racing on your machine. Never see it back in results, but would be strange that it,s not recorded anywhere.
Rating is often displayed afterwards, have seen it even one number after the ,

That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo

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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by ArmandoChavezUNC » February 7th, 2017, 1:41 pm

hjs wrote:That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
Yes, thanks for catching that!
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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by Citroen » February 7th, 2017, 1:52 pm

hjs wrote: Thats not true, some people do, in general otw guys use a modest drag, non rowers not seldom a bit higher. Drag is displayed during racing on your machine. Never see it back in results, but would be strange that it,s not recorded anywhere.
Rating is often displayed afterwards, have seen it even one number after the ,

That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
Drag is ONLY displayed when the race software is in "OK to warm-up" mode. It doesn't get displayed or recorded during the race.

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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by hjs » February 7th, 2017, 1:56 pm

Citroen wrote:
hjs wrote: Thats not true, some people do, in general otw guys use a modest drag, non rowers not seldom a bit higher. Drag is displayed during racing on your machine. Never see it back in results, but would be strange that it,s not recorded anywhere.
Rating is often displayed afterwards, have seen it even one number after the ,

That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
Drag is ONLY displayed when the race software is in "OK to warm-up" mode. It doesn't get displayed or recorded during the race.
Ok, so anwser is no dragnumbers are known for racing.

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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by hjs » February 7th, 2017, 1:58 pm

ArmandoChavezUNC wrote:
hjs wrote:That 6.10 should read 6.00. Typo
Yes, thanks for catching that!
Knew you knew.

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Re: Drag Factor SS vs Hard Session

Post by bisqeet » February 20th, 2017, 3:46 am

hmm... testing some advice from Eddie F. as part of the EF Marathon Plan.
I won't post his comments or reasoning here without his permission - but it will be published soon in the new revised Marathon Plan.

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