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[old] chippy · Post by **[old] chippy** » October 3rd, 2004, 12:47 pm

Graham Happy birthday big fella , i suppose Sue and and yourself have had your usual quiet sunday,running up the Sugar Loaf mountain,pumping iron then the ergo.. Robert Parry Nice to here from you matey. Chippy

[old] rickster · Post by **[old] rickster** » October 3rd, 2004, 1:00 pm

:Thanks Robert Redford,yes Sugar Loaf then erg, weights yesterday. Whiskey and Birthday cake now. Welcome to all the new Taffians on the team. To Aussie Taff Gwent is now back to it's original Monmouthshire County Status. Sue & Graham

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » October 3rd, 2004, 4:18 pm

WELCOME DEBRA!!!! You are going to so much love being on this team! It's a blast and I hope you post on here a lot about what you are doing and how it's going. I'm glad you joined up! What excuse do you have for being "Welsh"? Carla

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » October 3rd, 2004, 5:24 pm

A very big Welsh Welcome to Debra. I see Supercanoa are now but a spec on the horizon behind us in 6th and we've very much made 5th our own! I'm getting nervous excitement about being able to start the rowing again this coming Thursday. I went to the gym today and did 30 minutes on the bike and it was very tempting to jump on the erg but I fought it all the way! Hopefully my back will be in excellent shape on Thursday and I can start joining in the fun of contributing some metres to Taff Attack!

[old] blod · Post by **[old] blod** » October 3rd, 2004, 5:52 pm

Watch out Mr Redford, looks like the Canadian Taffs are a canvas away from you.!!!!! Beware of GIRL POWER.!!! Suzi

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » October 3rd, 2004, 6:07 pm

Hey Sue, Looks like you are making good progress on your meters! Have you joined Nonathlon yet? It really gives you something to go for, it's fun. Hope you are enjoying your mountain jogging. I am amazed at people that can do that without twisting their ankles every five minutes or stumbling off of ledges. I have done a small amount of hiking and it makes me feel very clumsy. Do you and Graham erg at home or in a gym? Carla

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 3rd, 2004, 6:10 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Bayko @ Oct 3 2004, 06:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Martin, Hope it's o.k. for a non-Taff to butt in with some feedback.  </td></tr></table> Absolutely Rick, I always enjoy and get good value out of reading posts by the 'seasoned campaigners' in other parts of the forum so why not in this thread Thanks for taking the trouble to pass on your experiences re the FM. If I may pick your brains a little more - in your 6 FM's did any particular strategy stand out ? (e.g. constant pacing vs variety, negative splitting certain sections). Or was it more a matter of each one being quite unique and based more on how one felt on the day ? One technique for drinking 'on the run' I might experiment with is to put in a super powerful stroke, then sit on 'back chocks' and have a guzzle for a few seconds. Have you tried (and discarded) this ? Thanks Martin

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 3rd, 2004, 6:15 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (andyArvid @ Oct 3 2004, 07:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>SuperCanoa recently did a marathon on-line as part of Le Tour Some very good advice is here: <a href='http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?s ... ost&p=4686' target='_blank'>Canoeist's Advice</a> as well as other good advice in the same thread. If you want to read about first time experiences including mine see <a href='http://www.supercanoa.com/2004/LeTour/3and4.htm' target='_blank'>SuperCanoa Marathon comments</a> </td></tr></table> Thanks Andy Martin

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 3rd, 2004, 8:39 pm

Hi Taffs, WELCOME Debra to the TAFF EXPRESS, where FUN and FRIVOLITY go hand in hand with DEDICATED ERGING. With all those K's thus far this season you certainly fall in the latter camp, how about the former .... ??? Now that TA has 18 on board we can get those 2 eights underway Carla (rowing a coxless 8 was not for the fainthearted !!). How shall the seating be organised ? Guys vs Girls, fit vs "infirmed", youth vs oldies, novice vs seasoned ??? The permutations are endless indeed. And anyone who feels like a rest can be cox. Belated birthday wishes Graham, I see you are still a year older than me Thanks for PM2 info Godfried. Off to the gym now to restore my rightful place in the Taff team hierarchy (though each newcomer seems to bump me down a place !) Cheers Martin

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » October 4th, 2004, 12:58 am

Uh oh! Guess I'll have to play catch up tomorrow! I rested today after doing some kind of crazy unintentional intervals yesterday. I was going along sort of gently, around 2:06 for a 10K, but I was watching Rocky II, and somehow found myself flying along doing 2:01 during the fight scenes, and wondering why I was so exhausted until I looked at the monitor. Hey all, our newest member Debra, is a friend of mine from Canada. We were trying to encourage each other (well, mostly she was helping me get started again) by pretending that we were rowing towards each other on a map, and seeing who got to the half way point first. If you look at her numbers you can easily see who was getting there first! (we started doing this in July, I think). She's sick now and isn't going to be doing much for a little while but when she does we can probably count on at least 50K a week from Ontario, Canada (though I'll bet she does a lot more than that after being Taff Attacked!) We are the greatest!! Carla

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 4th, 2004, 1:40 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (seat5 @ Oct 2 2004, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> All right---can we get a good listing here of everyone's Nonathlon names? I'm easy....seat5/Carla=seat5 Speedy/Dwayne=BigD Daren/=Llamatron you really have to explain this one! Bore Da!/Chris=dirtychris71 alright, where did the 71 come from? Godfried=Godfried AussieTaff/Martin=AussieTaff  </td></tr></table> Time for an update on the Non(T)athlon list. I've taken the liberty of showing how many events each of us has done (in brackets) and also some scores where people's posts had shown them. Hope no-one minds :- BigD (9) .................... Speedy/Dwayne Dirtychris71 (10) ........ Bore Da/Chris Godfried (9) ............... Godfried - 7672 Robcantrow (9) ........... Robert Parry - 7474 Aussietaff (8) .............. Martin - 7417 LLAMATRON (9) ........... Daren -7377 Seat5 (6) .................... Carla - 5565 Niall (4) ....................... Niall - 3147 Prufrock (1) ................. Bernie Just back from the gym, just HAD to do a 500m for Nonathlon, 1:36.2, a massive 0.3 seconds better than last season after 320K's more training !!! Oh well, back to the long stuff for me. I was almost going to ask if Debra was the Canadian you mentioned in a previous post but couldn't find the post quickly enough to do a Quote this morning. Small world or a Carla recruit ? Cheers Martin

[old] Bayko · Post by **[old] Bayko** » October 4th, 2004, 6:29 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 3 2004, 10:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Thanks for taking the trouble to pass on your experiences re the FM. If I may pick your brains a little more - in your 6 FM's did any particular strategy stand out ? (e.g. constant pacing vs variety, negative splitting certain sections). Or was it more a matter of each one being quite unique and based more on how one felt on the day ? One technique for drinking 'on the run' I might experiment with is to put in a super powerful stroke, then sit on 'back chocks' and have a guzzle for a few seconds. Have you tried (and discarded) this ? Thanks Martin  </td></tr></table> I tend to try to do even splits, or slightly negative splits, for the sake of effeciency. It varies a bit early on as during drinks the average split can slip by 0.2 to 0.3 sec/500m, and I spend the next 1000m or so going 1 sec/500m faster than goal pace in order to get the average back where it belongs. As it gets later into the marathon, if I feel it's possible to do so without croaking, I might try to pick up the pace. My most negative split one had the second half-marathon being 60 seconds faster than the first. I haven't tried to sit on 'back chocks' for a drink. I fear losing any momentum I think that it would make the initial pull afterwards that much harder than it is by just slowing down. But that is my own mental problem. People more patient than me might not be so tempted to immediately get back the lost time. Rick

[old] Prufrock · Post by **[old] Prufrock** » October 4th, 2004, 6:29 am

Hi Debra Sorry to hear your ill. Looking forward to your speedy recovery and back to rowing form. Welcome to Taff Attack! I was more than a bit surprised to see we had put almost a million and a half metres between ourselves and Super Canoa this morning. I thought I was not pulling my weight for a while as the gap was only 600,000 metres on Sunday morning when I last looked. Now I realise it was your welcome contribution! Obviously, another prized TA asset. Niall, good luck for Thursday, you must be raring to row. Bernard

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » October 4th, 2004, 10:46 am

Hi Martin, I see I have to do at least 11001 meters today... Yup, Debra is that very same Canadian...it is a small world on the internet, isn't it! I like the longer distances much more myself. I don't think my 500 time, or 1K or 2K times, will ever be much good. I can't do a good hard start without hurting my back and it takes me quite few strokes to get up to the right pace for each piece. We sure have our work cut out for us to catch up to MIT. 3 Million meters....there are 18 of us...that's only 166,667 for each of us (if MIT takes a nap)... Carla

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » October 4th, 2004, 11:19 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (seat5 @ Oct 3 2004, 05:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Godfried--I know what you mean about hating that avg pace to drop because you've stopped. It seems like it takes forever to go back down again. My usual mistake is to haul away as hard as I can to get it back down fast and then exhaust myself and ruin the piece. It takes discipline to just pick the pace you are aiming for and stick to it--it will slowly go back down again as long as the stop wasn't very long. </td></tr></table> I did some planning <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/42195.pdf' target='_blank'>42195</a> , more planning and a test <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/21097.pdf' target='_blank'>21097</a>. I knew what was going to happen, and now it was acceptable. I did the first 10k a little faster than planned, the second 10k ( after the break ) was faster than the first , and the last interval I wanted to stay under 94 mins.

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