Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Street » November 17th, 2016, 1:00 pm

john_n wrote: Street - Your mind is being trained to enjoy it - more indication that Pete Plan is good for all systems, body and mind.
Haha, I think I just enjoy suffering.. So much so that I've just booked a week off in January to head up to Scotland to do some winter climbing. Hopefully I'll see the benefits of the rowing on the walk ins.

Another week down and some small improvements on times. I managed 2:04.3 on the 10k which is 0.5s quicker than my previous best. A sub 40min 10k still seems a long way off though! I was quite pleased with my 4x1000m this week, I averaged 1:54.0. The 3x2000m will be interesting tomorrow as my target time is 1:59.6. That will be my first sub 8min 2k! :D

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by mdpfirrman » November 17th, 2016, 2:24 pm

Street - good stuff out of you. You will be soon killing the 2K.

I'm in full out cold or flu mode now. Haven't rowed since the 5 X 1500. Had to take the last two days off. I'm at the point where this race season is what it is. I'm going to take care of health first and then worry about rowing later. On the bright side, I've seen improvements this year rowing (as the 2 million plus meters have me stronger), I've done a 5K PB and for a long time I thought my PB 2K was an outlier. Now, I don't think so. Unless I get better soon, I might struggle beating 7:19 this year in the race but I'm telling myself that rowing is about health. Overall (though you'd never know it), I'm healthier now than I've been in years. During vacation, I lifted nearly everyday (the concepts that Luke and Glenn have mentioned on here often). Can't wait to get over this cold to finally get back at it regularly. This is the most rowing I've missed all year (at the worst time!).

Could be worse. My son's poor girlfriend went with us to Cabo. It was her first time ever out of the US. She got both the bacterial infection I had and the cold / flu (or whatever) I have now at the same time. She was sick in bed 9 of the 14 days we were there. We had to bring a doc to the room (thank goodness Mexican docs still do house calls!) to get her better. She finally got to enjoy about 5 days down there and that's it. At least I'm just tired (but able to work and catch up on everything from vacation).
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » November 17th, 2016, 2:29 pm

You are a good man, Mike. Get all the way well.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Pie Man » November 17th, 2016, 2:35 pm

G-dub wrote:You are a good man, Mike. Get all the way well.
Seconded Glenn.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by JohnAd » November 17th, 2016, 2:39 pm

Glenn, your a bit of a glutton for punishment doing an extra 2 1ks there, good stuff gritting those out, I'm not surprised you didn't have much left in the tank at the end.

Rohan, very nice 1k, I'm not sure how I'm going to squeeze that into the plan and my 30' and 5k plans, maybe I'll switch up a SS for a stab at 1k.

John N, it was the HR graphs I was looking at, I find it interesting to see how differently people respond to the start of each rep.

Street, bet it won't be your last sub 8 2k, great progress.

Mike, thirded, get well first, it can be pretty depressing to see how bad you are when you're not fully fit.

SS 5.1.4 SS 30' 6 x 1' each of r18/20/22/24/26
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MHR 144 Avg HR 124

Thought I'd mix it up a bit and try and hone my rate matching skills by trying out a WP inspired session. I liked the variation and I think it kept me a bit more focused than normal, I seem to find it hard to do r18 and r26, the first just because it just seems really slow and the later seems to be hard for me to do with full strokes strapless, is rating high easy for others when rowing strapless?

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » November 17th, 2016, 4:42 pm

John - it revealed that at 149+ I can recover and do another at least. I will tick it down next week and see what happens. I did do more soft rowing between reps - maybe that helps. I figure I might as well embrace 1K intervals. I have a feeling that being able to endure them mentally would be good training even if it is at 90-95% of 2K pace. I bet it helps physically too. Whatever!

Have a smile on during your test! F' it. At 1600 meters, get a big old grin on, take 4 - 6 soft strokes, then bring it home!
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Litewait » November 17th, 2016, 4:52 pm

BPP Week 13.2 4x1000m r3' DF121

16:29.6 4,000m 2:03.7 185 936 28
4:09.2 1,000m 2:04.6 181 922 30 148
4:09.2 1,000m 2:04.6 181 922 28 152
4:09.8 1,000m 2:04.9 180 919 28 157
4:01.4 1,000m 2:00.7 199 984 28 163

The knees held out. Took a bit off the first three out of fear it would start hurting. Pretty impressed I almost hit 2:00 the last rep considering how tired I was, making sure my calves didn't go past vertical made it a challenge to keep a smooth stroke. Knees feel less swollen, only heard one crack, and only medium pain is on the upper inside of my calf bone post row.

@luke, glen, piers - thanks for the tips, really helped kneading the muscles and making sure didn't go past vertical.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by mudgeg » November 17th, 2016, 5:33 pm

PP Beginners Week 12 Day 2

1500m x 4. Did this same session last week and the plan says to keep the same pacing strategy. So target of 2:04 on reps 1 - 3 and 2:01 on the final rep.

Actual:

1. 6:14.3 / 1500 / 2:04.7
2. 6:14.1 / 1500 / 2:04.7
3. 6:14.6 / 1500 / 2:04.8
4. 6:11.6 / 1500 / 2:03.8

So on Tuesday I do a 10k PB, go through the million metre mark for the calendar year, get a lot of encouraging comments on this thread and generally feel on top of the world. Two days later every 1500m was a struggle. Just not in amongst it at all - head not right, technique felt poor.

Some great times being posted here by everyone. @Street, I'm still dreaming of a sub 8 2k, there for the taking for you. Great stuff!
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by JohnAd » November 17th, 2016, 5:45 pm

mudgeg wrote:Two days later every 1500m was a struggle. Just not in amongst it at all - head not right, technique felt poor.
Sadly with the smooth comes the rough. Sometimes the hard days are the ones that count.

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by mudgeg » November 17th, 2016, 5:50 pm

John, you are absolutely right. Strange thing for us all is that there is no explanation for it.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by mdpfirrman » November 17th, 2016, 5:54 pm

Litewait wrote:BPP Week 13.2 4x1000m r3' DF121

16:29.6 4,000m 2:03.7 185 936 28
4:09.2 1,000m 2:04.6 181 922 30 148
4:09.2 1,000m 2:04.6 181 922 28 152
4:09.8 1,000m 2:04.9 180 919 28 157
4:01.4 1,000m 2:00.7 199 984 28 163

The knees held out. Took a bit off the first three out of fear it would start hurting. Pretty impressed I almost hit 2:00 the last rep considering how tired I was, making sure my calves didn't go past vertical made it a challenge to keep a smooth stroke. Knees feel less swollen, only heard one crack, and only medium pain is on the upper inside of my calf bone post row.

@luke, glen, piers - thanks for the tips, really helped kneading the muscles and making sure didn't go past vertical.
My right knee pops and grinds all the time. Doesn't hurt bad, it's just degenerative (and from the old injury where I ripped a lot of my meniscus off the bone). Popping doesn't bother me as much as pain. Pain, especially sharp pain, should be paid attention to. I think the advice of using a roller is great. You might also try knee compression sleeves as well. I bought one recently that's fantastic for rowing when my right knee is sore.

Unfortunately, if you have Runner's or Jumper's knee, the best fix is a strap that goes at the bottom of the knee to keep the patella and knee cap tracking correctly (but you can't wear a strap like that rowing because it would rub your knee raw).

I would consider some compression wraps. Also not going past vertical (like someone mentioned) should help too. I have one like this and bought one too for my wife (she's 55 and has arthritic knees). I love this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Flex-Athle ... sion+wraps

Though it sounds counter intuitive, I think the thing that has helped me the most is lifting. I do a lot of squats, deadlifts with kettlebells and also lunges. One really great exercise is to just stand on the last stair of a flight of stairs, looking down while holding the rail. With one foot solid on the stairs, take the other foot and do just light toe touches to the floor below. Works the heck out of your quads (and builds knee strength). For the hamstrings, nothing beats deadlifts or bridges (you can also do one legged bridges to really burn your hamstrings). Also, if it is runner or jumper's knee, it helps to work laterally too. You might want to look into getting an elastic band and tie it to something and work the muscles to the side of the knees. One of my favorite simple devices is a resistance band with cuffs that go around each ankle and you just walk side to side. Great little cheap device to really work the sides of your legs.

Stretching AFTER a row is great too. I use the rowing machine itself to stretch on. If you simply let the seat slide back, bend forward while keeping your feet in the pads (and balance with your arms), it's a great hamstring stretch. I also cross my leg over the other one and bend forward (really releasing the lower back and glutes). Then I finish with twisting all the way around and looking behind me in each direction holding the rail with one hand for balance. Since I've been doing this (along with a cool down) after every row, I've had less injuries.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Litewait » November 17th, 2016, 6:02 pm

@mike - thanks I will surely look into your ideas, age is a bitch. hope you are back in the saddle soon.
@gordon - my advice is look at the big picture and the progress you've been making. intervals still psych me out, 1500/2000 are the worst.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by mudgeg » November 17th, 2016, 6:29 pm

Tim, yes I hate intervals too. I feel I can get control of the longer pieces but with intervals and the shorter pieces I can't seem to get the pacing consistently right. It's all part of the learning process with the plan I guess.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Pie Man » November 17th, 2016, 7:59 pm

I'm not enjoying intervals much at the moment either.

So late to the gym tonight, hadn't eaten since a small lunch. 5x1500 to do @ 1:52.3. 1k warm up, 500m of first rep lost it...

Anyway, 60 seconds later decided to dial in a 30 min which was going to be my hard distance this week. The first 10 mins was a struggle, 15 mins in I actually started to feel that I was going ok, stroke started to actually work rate came down. Small sprint at the end to for a 1:55.3 last 6 mins, to finish on 7617m @ 1:58.2 which is a PB (not a row I do often) and not a million miles away from my predicted time from my 2k. Pacing was too slow at the start as normal, but it turned a poor night into an ok night.

To be honest it would of been easier to not mention the 5x1500 attempt and just talk about the hard distance. There are a few life things going on that are distracting me but I have a feeling that after 4 PP reps I may of reached a limit (not my limit). My mind is not stepping up, I will ponder how to continue as I still need to get to the BRIC in good shape.

On a side note, my knees are a bit shot from a lot of mogul skiing when I was younger, I have been wearing 3/4 length compression tights, and my knees haven't given me any trouble at all.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by jackarabit » November 18th, 2016, 12:13 am

Piers, 4 times thru (3 months) is stylin imo. You have a solid 2k TT and a bonus in the improvement to your middle distance row. Races coming. You're ready. PP is described as a "sharpening"plan. You did the course grind and then the strop. Body telling you to preserve the edge by using it sparingly. Listen to it.
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