Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by lindsayh » October 31st, 2016, 5:43 pm

Bloodbuzz Corio wrote:@ Lindsay - look like some strong times for the 6x750 there. What's your race this week - and are you tapering at all for it (even a day or 2) or just counting it as next weeks sprint interval session? What's your target pace (and I assume from your post Terry is racing also)? Good luck to both of you!
Thanks Rohan
The racing is in 3 parts this month because Rowing Australia has organised an AIRC at short notice but in 20 venues around Australia over the entire month of November! Terry is doing the 2k on Saturday in Sydney and will do a soft session on Wednesday and then race Saturday. I am not competing then unfortunately as racing next week at the Pan Pacs. There is a multi sports (about 50 sports and 8000 people) event called the Pan Pacific masters games on the Gold Coast of Queensland which is held every two years and gets a good crowd for the Indoor Rowing as well so keen to do that.
I have set the pan pacs as a goal for some time and will definitely be tapering with last hard Friday then soft Sunday for racing Wednesday (500, 4mins) and Thursday (2k, 1k and team race). The 2k will be important as it will be my best chance of a good seeding time and guide of progress for Boston I think. Then I will do the AIRC 2km on the 19th and maybe the sprints on the 30th separately as there are a number of sites to choose.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Kxthor911 » October 31st, 2016, 5:45 pm

Hey guys what's up. Finished my week 7 last week and then went out of town Friday night. I thought I would have cell service but I ended up not getting any signal.

Week 7 day 2 - 7x500 averaged about 2:07 did this last Thursday.

Week 7 day 3 - 8000m averaged about 2:22.5. Did this Friday before leaving just so I wouldn't have to when I got back. Back to back days really kill your legs. I was burning good but finished. Plan to start week 8 today.

In week 8 I plan to do the 8500 meter row today and the interval on Wednesday. On Friday I would like to do the 40 minute row for concept 2 challenge. It should be close to the same amount of time as the 8500 meters. Can I count that as bpp day 3?
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Kxthor911 » October 31st, 2016, 5:48 pm

lindsayh wrote:
Bloodbuzz Corio wrote:@ Lindsay - look like some strong times for the 6x750 there. What's your race this week - and are you tapering at all for it (even a day or 2) or just counting it as next weeks sprint interval session? What's your target pace (and I assume from your post Terry is racing also)? Good luck to both of you!
Thanks Rohan
The racing is in 3 parts this month because Rowing Australia has organised an AIRC at short notice but in 20 venues around Australia over the entire month of November! Terry is doing the 2k on Saturday in Sydney and will do a soft session on Wednesday and then race Saturday. I am not competing then unfortunately as racing next week at the Pan Pacs. There is a multi sports (about 50 sports and 8000 people) event called the Pan Pacific masters games on the Gold Coast of Queensland which is held every two years and gets a good crowd for the Indoor Rowing as well so keen to do that.
I have set the pan pacs as a goal for some time and will definitely be tapering with last hard Friday then soft Sunday for racing Wednesday (500, 4mins) and Thursday (2k, 1k and team race). The 2k will be important as it will be my best chance of a good seeding time and guide of progress for Boston I think. Then I will do the AIRC 2km on the 19th and maybe the sprints on the 30th separately as there are a number of sites to choose.
Best of luck to you sir. I can't even imagine, I bet it's a site to see all those people in one place just giving it there all.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Kxthor911 » October 31st, 2016, 5:50 pm

A more serious question for some of you who travel a good bit. How do you locate c2 machines when you go places? Do you call crossfit places and ask them to rent a machine or is there a better option? Thanks.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Litewait » October 31st, 2016, 5:53 pm

BPP Week 11.1 10,000m DF119

45:53.2 10,000m 2:17.6 134 761 23 145

9:10.8 2,000m 2:17.7 134 761 23 133
9:12.9 4,000m 2:18.2 133 757 23 141
9:12.3 6,000m 2:18.0 133 757 23 145
9:13.4 8,000m 2:18.3 132 754 23 149
9:03.8 10,000m 2:15.9 139 778 24 157

Couch to 10k in 147 days! I am guessing 80-85% HRR but it wasn't as difficult as I made it out to be in my head. Back and ass bones are sore, but heart and legs held out pretty well. Thinking less about surviving this and more about procedure midstream which is a positive step. Really dreading the 8x500m r2'.

@ben - tag, your it.
@street - ready for you to smoke me on the intervals.
@nick - way to keep at it, you hit the meters, count it as a BPP.
@john_n - thanks for the continued encouragement.
@pros - I wish I lived near some you guys to check out your races.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » October 31st, 2016, 6:43 pm

Super stuff LW! You've worked hard for it through thick and thin.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by mudgeg » October 31st, 2016, 6:43 pm

@Litewait - great 10k there Tim, really very good indeed. Had a rest day today but going to do my Week 10, 9.5k, tomorrow. Not looking forward to it at all!
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Street » October 31st, 2016, 7:03 pm

Litewait wrote: Couch to 10k in 147 days!
Good work.. Nice time on the last split! The 10k does feel like a bit of a milestone, at least we've got a few weeks off from increasing the distance now.

I've been struggling with the distance sessions in the morning now they're getting longer as I can't seem to get enough water into me, did the 10k in the evening and it felt much better. I still quite enjoy blasting through the intervals first thing though as the rest stops give me a chance to drink.

41:45.1 / 10,000m / 2:05.2 / 24
8:21.6 / 2,000m / 2:05.4 / 24
8:22.3 / 4,000m / 2:05.5 / 24
8:21.4 / 6,000m / 2:05.3 / 24
8:20.7 / 8,000m / 2:05.1 / 24
8:19.1 / 10,000m / 2:04.7 / 24

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by aussieluke » October 31st, 2016, 7:49 pm

Street wrote:
Litewait wrote: Couch to 10k in 147 days!
Good work.. Nice time on the last split! The 10k does feel like a bit of a milestone, at least we've got a few weeks off from increasing the distance now.

I've been struggling with the distance sessions in the morning now they're getting longer as I can't seem to get enough water into me, did the 10k in the evening and it felt much better. I still quite enjoy blasting through the intervals first thing though as the rest stops give me a chance to drink.

41:45.1 / 10,000m / 2:05.2 / 24
8:21.6 / 2,000m / 2:05.4 / 24
8:22.3 / 4,000m / 2:05.5 / 24
8:21.4 / 6,000m / 2:05.3 / 24
8:20.7 / 8,000m / 2:05.1 / 24
8:19.1 / 10,000m / 2:04.7 / 24
Nothing to stop you pausing for a few seconds to drink some water. I do almost all of my steady state work in 20 minute chunks with a minute or two breaks. Use the Just Row function and it will automatically pause after a few seconds of stopping. Think of it as time you'd spend turning your boat around if you were on the water.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Street » October 31st, 2016, 8:00 pm

aussieluke wrote: Nothing to stop you pausing for a few seconds to drink some water. I do almost all of my steady state work in 20 minute chunks with a minute or two breaks. Use the Just Row function and it will automatically pause after a few seconds of stopping. Think of it as time you'd spend turning your boat around if you were on the water.
Haha, true! I find I lose my rhythm if I stop too much though and in the mornings I seem to need to drink loads. In the evenings I can quite happily go without stopping for ages.. Unless the dog decides he wants to join in with me.

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by lindsayh » October 31st, 2016, 9:40 pm

Kxthor911 wrote:Best of luck to you sir. I can't even imagine, I bet it's a site to see all those people in one place just giving it there all.
Thanks Nick - real racing is a lot of fun must have done it 50 times all around the world. There are a lot of good events in Europe and the UK as well as in US during winter. If you go to the CRASH B site you can see video of the races at the WIRC (100 machines lined up in one room) but even 8 to 10 machines together is good especially if they are close races.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by john_n » October 31st, 2016, 10:31 pm

Mike - Only 4 hours sleep/20 hours straight, awake - sounds like one of those vacations from which you only get to fully rest after you return home and go back to work. Running outdoors at a relaxed pace is the only running I ever enjoyed. Running indoors on a treadmill - yeah, there’s plenty to hate about it. :) I’m surprised, that the Concept 2 Indoor Rower Finder doesn’t include Mexico among the countries in its listing … but the C2 rankings show very few entries logged from Mexico. Fun and inspiring to read about your workouts while you’re on vacation.

Sanz- I hope you have a good trip.

Lindsay - Impressive 6x750 r4:00. The only split for which you didn’t go faster than previous was the 5th split. I’m trying to stretch out the Pete Plan for more cycles (and don’t have races scheduled, like you do) so I’m aiming for the same pace from split to split until the very last. If you hadn’t “felt the legs on this one” you’d have been holding back. What is Terry’s age? You must have mentioned it once, weeks ago, but all I remember is that he’s in his 70s. (The reason I learned how to display images in this forum of reports & charts for my Pete Plan sessions is because Mike asked me to, for the benefit of your friend Terry, so I assume Terry reads some of what is in the forum, even though he’s not posting.) It will be greatly inspiring, if you can post links to your race results. If any videos are posted of the races in Australia, those would be fun to watch… seeing somebody from this forum in the video!

Luke - Wow, I can only try to imagine what it felt like to do that. After the 3K and 2.5K, your 2K was over 11 seconds faster than my current 2K SB which was preceded by only a mild warmup. And your overall average for all 7,500m of intervals was 1:52.6… which is faster than the most recent time I was left huffing and puffing after that 2K SB. You won’t have any problem at all, when you want to crash through and make a sub 7 2K. It should be very sub 7 by that day. Fast progress you are making. And you wrote that it wasn't too long ago, when you couldn't even do one pushup? Amazing progress in your rowing work since then.

Glenn - From what I recently read in the book about the two New Zealand rowers (The Kiwi Pair), I suspect that the one season where they did a tremendous load of daily long distance work was a significant factor in them being able to hold their amazing paces on the real deals of the 2Ks they won so many medals for. You’ve got a very good PB on the HM. If you could bring that HM PB time down by another 4 minutes, I bet you’d feel turbocharged on the real deal 2K. Just a point of view, wide open for opinions. You’re not happy, I guess with your 5x800 R4:30, but 1:45.5 is a heck of a pace from my perspective. Its a learning process for the body, with the mind sometimes pushing too hard or not demanding enough. Very tricky to find the right push for any distance and I’ve never, ever come close to knowing what it feels like to do so. But some here who have seriously raced a lot, like Lindsay and others, have been there to tell about it. But anyway - I’m impressed even if you’re disappointed that when you opened that particular “package” the contents weren’t exactly what you anticipated.

Ben- If the stock market averages are any indication, then yes - the big round numbers are huge psychological hurdles. More meters in your foundation. Nice 10K work.

Rohan - Sizzling work on the 5x1500 R5:00! Pete Plan is working really great for you, with the improvement you are noting. As for my 8x500 - yes, I’m keeping the pace of all but the very last of any Pete Plan intervals as near as possible to the overall average pace of its previous cycle, instead of pushing a little more, so as to keep as slow as possible the approach to the limits toward which successive Pete Plan cycles inexorably push us.

Nick - solid 7X500 and 8K. Eventually, your legs will complain less and thank you for all the rowing you’re doing. The BPP (and PP) aren’t carved in stone, so as long as a person’s conscience doesn’t bother him, it should be perfectly ok to switch things around when it appeals to you. The indoor rower finder on concept2.com works well for finding machines when you are traveling. http://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/finder

Tim- “Couch to 10K in 147 days” is a great C2 endorsement! Couldn’t have happened without your persistence. Nice 10K. You turned loose with more, in the last split. Building up your VO2max.

Street - Energetic 10K you did, with a good push in the last 2K! I wonder - if you don’t want to pause or try Luke’s method of breaking it up into shorter pieces, would one of those Camelbak hydration packs be worth trying? Some runners and bicyclists use them, so they can drink on the go. Personally, I just keep a bottle of water on a windowsill within arm’s reach.

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by lindsayh » November 1st, 2016, 5:05 am

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john_n wrote:Lindsay - Impressive 6x750 r4:00. The only split for which you didn’t go faster than previous was the 5th split. If you hadn’t “felt the legs on this one” you’d have been holding back. What is Terry’s age? You must have mentioned it once, weeks ago, but all I remember is that he’s in his 70s. It will be greatly inspiring, if you can post links to your race results. If any videos are posted of the races in Australia, those would be fun to watch… seeing somebody from this forum in the video!
Thanks John - I had 28k over the weekend including the hard 10k so started a little slower with the unfamiliar session just to make sure I got to the end. The holding back was probably at the beginning with the end pretty strong - not much left in the tank. A fully focussed TT would be significantly faster I suspect. Hard interval sessions are tricky to pace until you have done them a few times but very satisfying to get right.
Terry turned 72 this year but doesn't lurk here at all - has a real life instead!! I promise to report results of the pan pacs next week and the AIRC as it is done. Not sure about videos but if any happen will try to grab them. (I have never seen recordings of me OTE - might be scary)
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by aussieluke » November 1st, 2016, 6:16 am

PP week 6 day 4

3 x 20' 2:07.9 r22 14091m
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Started rowing Feb 2016
500m 1:33.2
2000m 6:57.4
5000m 18:47.6

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by adam1882 » November 1st, 2016, 7:24 am

Hi all,

Just checking in. I've been away for the last week or so. This is a great thread. Thank you.

Before I left I I completed PPB Week 8 Interval session, 4x1500m with 3mins rest. Target was 2:00.7 and I achieved 1:59.4 with a much lower spm (18-22) so I was happy with that.

Post holiday, last night I managed 8000m in 2:10.6 after setting a generous target of 2:10.0. Again, the spm was low (18-19spm).

I'm hoping to ramp up again now, starting with PPB Wk9 - 9000m at a target of 2:10.0.

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