Help needed on 2k split

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Help needed on 2k split

Post by Rower4001 » September 24th, 2016, 2:11 pm

about three weeks ago i did a 20 min test and recieved an avg split of 2:10 . this was after a week of being back training . I will be doing a 2k in another month and want people opinions of what i should be aiming for.

I did a 2k for the third time back in march and got 8:07 but I wouldve have improved alot since then as I had only been rowing 6months and the time.

I want to get under 8:00 , do you think this is possible?

Thanks , ( FEMALE AGE 16 , 5'10) 74kg

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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Pie Man » September 24th, 2016, 2:19 pm

What training are you doing each week? Do you have easy access to a machine?
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Rower4001 » September 24th, 2016, 2:24 pm

Pie Man wrote:What training are you doing each week? Do you have easy access to a machine?
Im training 6 days a week , and 2 of those days twice a day. Its about 3 erg sessions( 3x5ks , 2x8ks ) gym/pt work and water work .

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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Gammmmo » September 24th, 2016, 2:32 pm

Rower4001 wrote:I want to get under 8:00 , do you think this is possible?
no problem
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by MarkEg » September 24th, 2016, 2:33 pm

based on your training and your March time, you won't be far away. If you can hold 2:10 for 20mins, you should be holding quite a bit less for 8. I'd be surprised if you don't go lower than your 8.07.
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Anth_F » September 24th, 2016, 2:43 pm

If you got 8:07 way back in march and you say you have improved a lot since then and training 6 days per week, then really going sub 8 shouldn't even need to be brought up for discussion. You should be feeling confident enough to achieve it without doubts or questioning can you.
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by gooseflight » September 24th, 2016, 2:46 pm

You should certainly have improved your split by 9 watts since March so sub 8:00 has to be on. Be sure to include some interval sessions at race rate/pace in the next three weeks.
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Pie Man » September 24th, 2016, 2:47 pm

Do you have a coach? Do they do any specific 2k training? It sounds like 8:00 is on the cards perhaps you could look at some pacing strategies for the 2k so you can hit your best time.
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Anth_F » September 24th, 2016, 3:02 pm

Pie Man wrote:Do you have a coach? Do they do any specific 2k training? It sounds like 8:00 is on the cards perhaps you could look at some pacing strategies for the 2k so you can hit your best time.
Yes, the pacing strategy is everything so good call, Piers. Last thing you want happening is to blow up in the last 500 etc.

So be sure to do as Piers says... look up a good pacing strategy for achieving sub 8 :wink:
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by gooseflight » September 24th, 2016, 3:09 pm

Anth_F wrote:So be sure to do as Piers says... look up a good pacing strategy for achieving sub 8 :wink:
I've got this covered: 3 x 500m @ 2:00 then 1 x 500m @ 1:59.
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Anth_F » September 24th, 2016, 3:17 pm

gooseflight wrote:
Anth_F wrote:So be sure to do as Piers says... look up a good pacing strategy for achieving sub 8 :wink:
I've got this covered: 3 x 500m @ 2:00 then 1 x 500m @ 1:59.
Yep.. simple as that :lol:
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Edward4492 » September 24th, 2016, 3:30 pm

As stated, you're probably there. Assuming you have the ability to select one of your own sessions (and it's not all supervised, coached) why not try one of the staple work outs, (8) x 500m on 3:30 rest. Do it at 2:00min pace. No pressure, if you blow up, you blow up. If you get through all eight on pace, zero doubt you can do 2k sub 8. If you fail, you'll have an idea of where you're at and can adjust accordingly. Or, do 1250m at your assumed pace of 2:00, If you make it on pace with no sprint, pay close attention to how you feel and evaluate if 2k appears do-able. My guy tells me you got this with room to spare.

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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Galeere » September 26th, 2016, 5:30 am

OP stated that she did the 8:07 in March but is back in training for 1 week before the 20min-test and 4-weeks total.
She also stated that she has only 4 weeks before the 2k-TT.
As a rule of thumb pace decreases by around 5sec for every doubling of the distance. That would calculate roughly to 6sec going from a 20min to a 8min-TT. So if that 20min was at 100% IMO there are around 4sec to have to be gained within 7 weeks. If the amount of work between March and restart of the training was near Zero, I reckon that is very likely to be possible. Training should include some longer steady-state rows at low ratings as well as some interval (as stated above 8x 500 is a good idea and gives you a hint where you are at regarding managable pace) and hard distance (hard 20min or 5k or even 30min). Also maybe a 1 or 2-day taper before the TT. Good luck!
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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Rower4001 » October 12th, 2016, 5:26 pm

Galeere wrote:OP stated that she did the 8:07 in March but is back in training for 1 week before the 20min-test and 4-weeks total.
She also stated that she has only 4 weeks before the 2k-TT.
As a rule of thumb pace decreases by around 5sec for every doubling of the distance. That would calculate roughly to 6sec going from a 20min to a 8min-TT. So if that 20min was at 100% IMO there are around 4sec to have to be gained within 7 weeks. If the amount of work between March and restart of the training was near Zero, I reckon that is very likely to be possible. Training should include some longer steady-state rows at low ratings as well as some interval (as stated above 8x 500 is a good idea and gives you a hint where you are at regarding managable pace) and hard distance (hard 20min or 5k or even 30min). Also maybe a 1 or 2-day taper before the TT. Good luck!
Thankyou for the help! My 2k has been pushed to late November so I am pretty confident I will be comfortably under 8 . Ill sstart doing some interval training as already doing steady state !

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Re: Help needed on 2k split

Post by Galeere » October 12th, 2016, 6:04 pm

Rower4001 wrote:
Thankyou for the help! My 2k has been pushed to late November so I am pretty confident I will be comfortably under 8 . Ill sstart doing some interval training as already doing steady state !
Good work, congrats!
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