Relay Races!

[old] Jon Goodall · Post by **[old] Jon Goodall** » November 20th, 2004, 6:59 am

With our 100k last January we had about 6 companies support the event with the money going to charity. We almost hit £10,000. In the end it was around £8,500 (about $14-15,000). In many ways we did this with not too many people taking the record attempt as a serious threat. After it was done we had loads of people coming up to us saying they never thought we'd pull it off and so on, and even Steve Redgrave's people saying that if we ever do anything like that again, they'd loved to be involved so as to help Steve's Charitable Trust. I believe it's about finding companies that are willing to spend a bit more on advertising. Xeno, with your piece in the Daily Pilot on sunday, we could easily see all the pics on the rear wall of your gym, which could all be advertising space for potential sponsors. I'd imagine it would cost a fair bit for companies to advertise in papers by themselves, so for them to be associated with a sporting event would not only be a bit of cheaper advertising for them, but also makes them look good to be involved in stuff in the local area. Let alone any TV coverage that could come from it. That's what we did with the 100k. Xeno imagine what you could put together with the amount of clout you carry!!!!! Well that's my 2 cents worth on this subject. (is that an expression in the US???) As for a 2 man 100k, I've never thought about the best stratagy for that one. I think a lot will depend on if you are allowed the 2 extra helpers like in a normal 100k. I'll see if I can find the exact rules for it, then we can take it from there. I agree that shorter distances per go would be better. I'd love to see you & Dwayne do that one!!! Cheers Jon

[old] Pete Marston · Post by **[old] Pete Marston** » November 20th, 2004, 2:24 pm

A Xeno and Dwayne 2 man 100k, now that would be something to watch! It would really be a balance between having short reps so you can go fast, and having long enough rests to eat and drink something. The guys who did it in 5k bursts were still sub 1:40 all the way, so still a good target set there to beat. I think 500m would be a minimum to be having enough rest really. We've done a lot of 3k / 4man relays, and in some ways they are harder than the 100k's because of the very short rest, you can't go as fast anyway. Good luck whatever you decide to do. Using relays for corporate challenges and the like is a good idea, and already done over here with the Redgrave relay, the final of which is at BIRC each year. We won this last year (me, Graham Benton, Kev Peebles and Neil Edge). That was 4 x 500m last year.

[old] Jon Goodall · Post by **[old] Jon Goodall** » November 20th, 2004, 2:30 pm

Pete, Didn't we tie for the win in that Redgrave relay last year??? Me, Chris Rushton, Andy Inje & Maraek Hebda. I thought we'd lost it, but hey, I wasn't going to argue with E-Row, and beside's it got me a lovely trophy Jon

[old] xenom · Post by **[old] xenom** » November 20th, 2004, 2:49 pm

Hi the 100K was done in 5hours 39 minutes. Is that a 1:41 average approximately? Xeno www.gorow.com

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » November 20th, 2004, 4:48 pm

100k in 5:39:00 is a 1:41.7 pace. Probably want to row it a little quicker so you don't have to sit on the damn seat so long

[old] Jon Goodall · Post by **[old] Jon Goodall** » November 20th, 2004, 5:43 pm

Yeah, 1:41.8 was the pace they did so anything 1:41.7 or under would be a record Cheers Jon

[old] Pete Marston · Post by **[old] Pete Marston** » November 21st, 2004, 10:02 am

Oh yeah, I forgot the Redgrave relay was called a tie. If only we didn't have that slow lanky guy on our team (no I don't mean Mr Benton) 1:41.7 sounds like a pretty easy target to beat for a 2 man 100k, if you're allowed to use any tactics. Make sure you look into the rules, if it is actually a proper record. Just that there are British records for 4 man (/ woman / mixed) half marathons and marathons, but they are prescribed as being done in 1k stints (HM) and 2k stints (FM). So make sure you know if the 100k is one that HAS to be done 5k at a time. If there are no rules then me and Mr Goodall could beat 1:41.7 average doing it in say 250's or something, so you two should smash it.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » November 21st, 2004, 12:11 pm

It is going to get sick and tough....

[old] Jon Goodall · Post by **[old] Jon Goodall** » November 22nd, 2004, 9:48 am

Welcome to the crazy world of 100k's Xeno Jon

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » November 23rd, 2004, 10:46 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Pete Marston @ Nov 21 2004, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> 1:41.7 sounds like a pretty easy target to beat for a 2 man 100k, if you're allowed to use any tactics. ......... If there are no rules then me and Mr Goodall could beat 1:41.7 average doing it in say 250's or something, so you two should smash it.  </td></tr></table> I think 200 reps of 250m for each rower is probably the way to do the 100K challenge. Rowing ten 5Ks, all under 17 minutes, with 17 minutes rest in between, would be very difficult. Many of us struggle just to do one! But, doing one minute on, one minute off for 6 hours doesn't sound all so pleasent either! Pete, I just found some digital photos that my wife took at Cardiff of you, Jon, Graham Price, and myself in a team race. (We lost by 0.1 of a second against a team with much better credentials if I recall correctly. We had two guys over 40 and a lightweight on our team.) We put the computer chip in a safe place when we moved to the US over two years ago, but just found where we hid it for safekeeping. The team race was one of the "Forum Flyers" that we did. It was a lot more fun to race than the 2K! Xeno, find out about slides before you attempt any record setting event. Even though Concept allows slides for rankings, records are a different story. I asked if I could use slides to go after the M/40 individual 100K record and was told that records can't use slides. But this was over a year ago. Maybe the policy has changed. Cheers, Paul Flack

[old] nkoffler · Post by **[old] nkoffler** » November 23rd, 2004, 11:48 am

Xeno- Paul's point about slide bears research. It would stink to have a record attempt invalidated . From a pratical standpoint, changeovers using slides could be a disaster and the people holding your feet would have to move back and forth. Good luck, Neil

[old] Jon Goodall · Post by **[old] Jon Goodall** » November 23rd, 2004, 3:01 pm

Can you imagine trying to do a changeover using slides I just can't see how that would work. Trying to hop on a moving erg. You would more than likely lose so much time, I can't see how it would be worth risking. If you use foot strap holders then it would have to be done without slides as nobody could hold onto a foot that's moving back and forth for about 5hrs plus. Cheers Jon

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » November 24th, 2004, 12:29 pm

I never thought about the footholder problem and slides. But, then again, you really don't need footstraps when you use slides - even at high rates. So, footholder probelm solved! Cheers, Paul Flack

[old] JosephNovak · Post by **[old] JosephNovak** » November 24th, 2004, 8:10 pm

<a href='http://www.fisa.org/news/fullstory.sps? ... 355&itype=' target='_blank'>FISA Article on Jon Goodall / Team MAD</a>

[old] Jon Goodall · Post by **[old] Jon Goodall** » November 24th, 2004, 9:14 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Canoeist @ Nov 23 2004, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I just found some digital photos that my wife took at Cardiff of you, Jon, Graham Price, and myself in a team race. (We lost by 0.1 of a second against a team with much better credentials if I recall correctly. We had two guys over 40 and a lightweight on our team.) We put the computer chip in a safe place when we moved to the US over two years ago, but just found where we hid it for safekeeping. The team race was one of the "Forum Flyers" that we did. It was a lot more fun to race than the 2K!  </td></tr></table> Paul, I remember that day well. The 4 others in the team that beat us were: Rob Smith, Kev Peebles, Steve Hammonds & Marcus Harvey. Rob, Kev & Steve all raced in the MAD 100k. In many ways you could see how the MAD Team was starting to get relay experience before any of us knew what was ahead of us. After what we did as Forum Flyers in Jan & Feb 02, then 7 of us did a relay at Portsmouth in Oct 2002 (Me, Pete, Rob, Steve Sanders, Steve Hammonds, John Davies, Ashley Graham) racing as 'The League Of Gentleman' and setting the then 5000m relay record. After Portsmouth 2002 I believe that Graham Benton & Kev Peebles wanted to start training together and along with a few others started doing what became known as 'The MAD training sessions'. I'd never been to a MAD session, but at Coleshill in July 2003 a 100k relay was done which I did the seat holding as I had a shoulder injury and didn't want to risk injury by racing. By this time talk of a MAD Team IRC had started on the UK forum and half the guys racing in this 100k were part of the MAD Team. 2 days after the event I was asked about raising money for charity so thought about a MAD Team 100k as a lot of the guys had relay experience anyway. Looking back, it's kinda funny how it all got started. Cheers Jon

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