Sprints and Stuff- training/questions 1k and below

[hjs]

Indeed

Certainly well spend trip ergingwise those results push the age related results nicely up

[Anth_F]

Didn't Cameron Nichol say at the end of the video he doesn't want to see people 'rolling around on the floor' afterwards and that they should be doing some gentle up and down the slide either with the handle held by the legs or without the handle just to make sure that you warm down properly.

He said that and to stay there doing that for 5 mins or so to get all that lactic acid out of your legs. Easier said than done i suppose when you just pulled a 6:40 target time or under, 2K, unless you're as fit as him, or fitter.

[Bob S.]

He said that and to stay there doing that for 5 mins or so to get all that lactic acid out of your legs. Easier said than done i suppose when you just pulled a 6:40 target time or under, 2K, unless you're as fit as him, or fitter.

As Henry pointed out, Nichol is a sub6 erger - that takes over 480 watts of power. A 6:40 takes only 350 watts, less than 73% as much. At that level, he was just steady state cruising.

Bob S.

[Anth_F]

He said that and to stay there doing that for 5 mins or so to get all that lactic acid out of your legs. Easier said than done i suppose when you just pulled a 6:40 target time or under, 2K, unless you're as fit as him, or fitter.

As Henry pointed out, Nichol is a sub6 erger - that takes over 480 watts of power. A 6:40 takes only 350 watts, less than 73% as much. At that level, he was just steady state cruising.

Bob S.

But how many in here are at "that level"/his level. I mean how many can do that time 2k and then sit there after on the erg for 5 mins doing that. Plenty enough in here have said already about getting off asap and lying on the floor etc etc. Like i said (easy to say, but hard to do for many)

[hjs]

He said that and to stay there doing that for 5 mins or so to get all that lactic acid out of your legs. Easier said than done i suppose when you just pulled a 6:40 target time or under, 2K, unless you're as fit as him, or fitter.

As Henry pointed out, Nichol is a sub6 erger - that takes over 480 watts of power. A 6:40 takes only 350 watts, less than 73% as much. At that level, he was just steady state cruising.

Bob S.

But how many are at "that level" i mean how many can do that and then sit there on the erg for 5 mins doing that. Plenty enough in here have said already about getting off asap and lying on the floor etc etc. Like i said (easy to say, but hard to do for many)

Almost everybody can do "that" the whole point of a 2k is the fact its on the edge. Rowing a 2k at 10k ish pace as an example how it should be done? We can Usain bold doing a 100 m in 12 telling how it should be done... What he showed shows and learns nothing much. A "real" 2k executed with his prefered pacing would have been usefull. Ofcourse the talk should have been added later

[Anth_F]

Almost everybody can do "that" the whole point of a 2k is the fact its on the edge. Rowing a 2k at 10k ish pace as an example how it should be done? We can Usain bold doing a 100 m in 12 telling how it should be done... What he showed shows and learns nothing much. A "real" 2k executed with his prefered pacing would have been usefull. Ofcourse the talk should have been added later

I disagree. The entire video as a whole, does in fact give people a good structured plan for a 2K test. (especially the mental aspects) Then a very excellent demonstration of pacing and strategy in the 2K he does.

[hjs]

Almost everybody can do "that" the whole point of a 2k is the fact its on the edge. Rowing a 2k at 10k ish pace as an example how it should be done? We can Usain bold doing a 100 m in 12 telling how it should be done... What he showed shows and learns nothing much. A "real" 2k executed with his prefered pacing would have been usefull. Ofcourse the talk should have been added later

I disagree. The entire video as a whole, does in fact give people a good structured plan for a 2K test. (especially the mental aspects) Then a very excellent demonstration of pacing and strategy in the 2k he does.

you should see how he does a real race. Would be nothing like this paddle

Think its time you do a real 100% 2k and report back how that felt and turned out.

[Anth_F]

Almost everybody can do "that" the whole point of a 2k is the fact its on the edge. Rowing a 2k at 10k ish pace as an example how it should be done? We can Usain bold doing a 100 m in 12 telling how it should be done... What he showed shows and learns nothing much. A "real" 2k executed with his prefered pacing would have been usefull. Ofcourse the talk should have been added later

I disagree. The entire video as a whole, does in fact give people a good structured plan for a 2K test. (especially the mental aspects) Then a very excellent demonstration of pacing and strategy in the 2k he does.

you should see how he does a real race. Would be nothing like this paddle

But if he done it at his real true pace, he wouldn't have really been in a condition to be able to talk you through it as he done it

[hjs]

But if he done it at his real true pace, he wouldn't have really been in a condition to be able to talk you through it as he done it

Which its the whole point pfffff. Read back, I told that already. I am out, get some experience first before having an opinion. Not like now the other way around. We are now clogging up this thread with non related rubbish.

Ps, find a real 2k on youtube from a peer (pacewise) and see how that goes.

[Bob S.]

I have seen a lot of 2k erg races, both at the Beach sprints and Crash-Bs. I have seen a few collapses. In 2 of those, I knew the ergers and knew that they had other problems the day of the race. One had the flu, but managed a spectacular, come from behind, finish to win his hammer. The other got stomach cramps in the first few hundred meters and struggled to finish - obviously in pain. I have seen plenty of others, who didn't even seem to ease off at the end, but kept rowing. I am sure that they dropped down to a paddle, but it wasn't obvious. Two of those were national team members, who were competing side by side with one another. I am sure that they gave it every thing they had.

On a personal note, it was regarded a standard practice for coxswains to call out "paddle" at the end of a race. At a San Diego Crew Classic, sometime in the 90s, I rowed bow in an LBRA old men's eight. When we completed the race, the stroke didn't wait for a command, he just stopped rowing. I was pissed off about that. What followed made it even worse. Our 6 seat, a guy with many years of rowing experience, slumped over the side with his head in the water. The 5 seat managed, with considerable effort, to get him pulled up. By that time the escort launch arrived, picked him up and also picked up the stroke of the boat in the adjacent lane. Fortunately, that particular oarsman was our 6 seat's cardiologist and he started immediate CPR, continuing until they got to the dock where the ambulance was already for him. There were a couple of paddle jolts right there on the dock. Then they took off for the hospital. He survived that heart attack, but could remember nothing of the race or of the party the night before. During rehab, he liked to have us tell him over and over again just what had happened in that 24 hour period. The point for telling this is that I have always been convinced that the sharp switch from the intense effort of racing to just stopping altogether was what triggered the attack. I still blame the stroke for that. I am convinced that going to a light paddle would have made the difference.

As a side note: I was in my early 70s at the time, the oldest rower in the boat. I was already aware by then that my aortic valve was getting increasing stenotic, but at a fairly slow rate. I had the OK to keep on rowing and did - but somehow, I was never invited again to work out with a competition crew. I was still rowing a single and going out in an occasional 4, but not in an eight. It was 5 or 6 years later when the valve got so bad that it had to be replaced. We moved from the coastline to the high desert at about that time, so I haven't been in a shell since then. I have had to make do with erging.

Bob S.

[Shawn Baker]

Just wasn't quite ready to quit- thought I'd give a few 100s a go but couldn't stay on seat- noticed some 1:04s for the first time ever and thought "what the heck, let's check a low pull"

Pulled off a pretty big PR at 1354 (1:03.7) from previous of 1249- so pretty darned pleased about current horse power- possibly raised foot position helping a bit as well as recent power training (thanks again Bob S)

Also always awesome to hear Bob's stories

[left coaster]

Dang Shawn, my back hurts just looking at that!

Must be the LCHF diet

[Shawn Baker]

Well, I did break the 500m record and do a bunch of 1300+ watt low pull attempts on zero carbs today - but everyone knows you have to have carbs to train intensely!

[Shawn Baker]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQaJglDdpaE

This is what 1354 watts looks like (obviously not a 2k stroke )

[Anth_F]

But if he done it at his real true pace, he wouldn't have really been in a condition to be able to talk you through it as he done it

I am out, get some experience first before having an opinion.

Whatever. Some ego's on here are fuc#ing hilarious. (same on every forum really though) Vets piping up blah blah Because you've been around longer yada yada... therefore i'm not entitled to give an opinion, or it's invalid. Get off your high horse ffs.