Dwyane Adams - Fake Or Real?

[[old] hjs]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 16 2006, 06:59 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 16 2006, 06:59 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok, so you guys still want to go off at tangents to get off the subject, that’s cool, but it won’t sway me.<br /><br />I have just run the mile in 3:50.1. Anyone believe me? I have no proof; you will just have to take my word for it. I just called the IAAF and told them, they said cool, we take your word for it. Well if C2 can do it why can’t the IAAF.<br /><br />Maybe I am going to fast for you guys, let’s slow it down a notch.<br /><br />Q. Has anyone on this forum seen Dwayne rowing on an Erg…………….ever? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />It a pitty he doesn't race but he not worldrecordholder. The ranking is not officieel en just for fun. I am sure there are who are not honest about there times. So be it.<br />medals en records can only be won in real races. So there's nothing to win by fraud. We can't expect c2 to controll the hole ranking, can we?

[[old] Chad Williams]

I am not doubting Dwayne’s times, I just won’t proof he did them, can that be so wrong.

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 16 2006, 07:36 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 16 2006, 07:36 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->His times are in the range of what I saw a lot of back in University. </td></tr></table><br /><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 16 2006, 09:18 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 16 2006, 09:18 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Uncontrollable laughing at things that are not funny is a symptom of mental illness. </td></tr></table><br />Why aren't you laughing then????<br /><br />Ahhh hahahaha!!!

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 16 2006, 09:59 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 16 2006, 09:59 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok, so you guys still want to go off at tangents to get off the subject, that’s cool, but it won’t sway me.<br /><br />I have just run the mile in 3:50.1. Anyone believe me? I have no proof; you will just have to take my word for it. I just called the IAAF and told them, they said cool, we take your word for it. Well if C2 can do it why can’t the IAAF.<br /><br />Maybe I am going to fast for you guys, let’s slow it down a notch.<br /><br />Q. Has anyone on this forum seen Dwayne rowing on an Erg…………….ever? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Is there a reason to not believe you? (Other than your obvious attempt at trying to make your own point by being absurd. Which is why I would say "No, I do not believe you.")<br /><br />If you came on to the Forum and said "I can run a mile in 3:50.1, what should I be capable of doing a 2k Erg Test in?" I doubt anyone would question the mile time at all. IOW, why would you lie?<br /><br />I've seen Dwayne on an Erg (2006 World Masters Games - Rowing Venue), though it appeared to be more of a warm-up exercise rather than an Erg Test. It looked to me that he had technique that was far more than a beginner would have. We met briefly and my best description of his physical characteristics would be a "super-sized Lance Armstrong", and he was a heck of a nice guy too.<br /><br />Maybe you should clarify why you feel that his times are suspect in any way. <br />Is there any reasoning behind your line of questioning?<br /><br />Why do these hanging Chads always spark such controversy?

[[old] Spectre]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 16 2006, 01:27 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 16 2006, 01:27 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[Why do these hanging Chads always spark such controversy?  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br /> Now thats funny.

[[old] akit110]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 16 2006, 02:17 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 16 2006, 02:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am not doubting Dwayne’s times, I just won’t proof he did them, can that be so wrong. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I am not sure if 'wrong' is quite the right word. Perhaps unaware of the social dynamics of this community is probably more accurate.<br /><br />My impression, based on the responses on this thread, is that you are viewed by some as too much of an outsider or 'newbie' to call into question the past performances of a far more established member of this community. <br /><br />It would be like joining a new company and on the first day loudly and broadly questioning the competency of a respected vice-president. Even if you had what you felt was a justifiable basis for your line of query, you could see how it wouldn't be received very favorably right?<br /><br />

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-Spectre+Jan 16 2006, 06:39 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Spectre @ Jan 16 2006, 06:39 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 16 2006, 01:27 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 16 2006, 01:27 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[Why do these hanging Chads always spark such controversy?  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br /> Now thats funny. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />For my edification, could someone explain what is a "chad" ? It is not in the dictionary, and I am sure I am missing something funny! <br /><br />Thanks

[[old] Chad Williams]

I am no-way putting down Dwayne as a person, he does seem a great guy and supportive of people on this forum, I just find his times and yearly totals hard to believe without evidence.<br />You guys seems to be trying to make out I am on a witch hunt, I am just asking for proof of a claim that has been made.<br />If you have done something, then why would it be hard to prove with creditable evidence, something that Dwayne has not yet done.<br /><br />Example.<br /><i>I find it very hard to believe that some guy in the U.K who used to be a smoker and had never rowed on the water before can then go along a win the BIRC open title twice and row sub 5.50, that must be a crock of s**t.</i><br /><br /><a href='http://www.worldrowing.com/news/fullsto ... sID=277932' target='_blank'>http://www.worldrowing.com/news/fullsto ... 932</a><br /><br />Oh look………………Proof!!<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-akit110+Jan 16 2006, 10:39 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(akit110 @ Jan 16 2006, 10:39 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It would be like joining a new company and on the first day loudly and broadly questioning the competency of a respected vice-president.  Even if you had what you felt was a justifiable basis for your line of query, you could see how it wouldn't be received very favorably right? </td></tr></table><br /><br />Right, Dick Cheney would have a fit about that.<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 16 2006, 10:50 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 16 2006, 10:50 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am no-way putting down Dwayne as a person, he does seem a great guy and supportive of people on this forum, I just find his times and yearly totals hard to believe without evidence. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm sure Dwayne will provide plenty of evidence at the Crash B's in Boston this year. <br />

[[old] Ducatista]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For my edification, could someone explain what is a "chad" ? It is not in the dictionary, and I am sure I am missing something funny!  <br /><br />Thanks<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Consider yourself lucky. Though chads <i>are</i> funny, I suppose, in a tragicomic sort of way. <br /><br />A chad is a little scrap of paper. Most people had never heard the term "hanging chad" before November 2000, but the US presidential election that year branded the term into the American consciousness. This BBC gives a good, quick explanation:<br /><br /><a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1233594.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americ ... 594.stm</a>

[[old] Kappy]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 16 2006, 01:50 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 16 2006, 01:50 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />You guys seems to be trying to make out I am on a witch hunt, I am just asking for proof of a claim that has been made.<br />If you have done something, then why would it be hard to prove with creditable evidence, something that Dwayne has not yet done.<br /><br />Example.<br /><i>I find it very hard to believe that some guy in the U.K who used to be a smoker and had never rowed on the water before can then go along a win the BIRC open title twice and row sub 5.50, that must be a crock of s**t.</i><br /><br /><a href='http://www.worldrowing.com/news/fullsto ... sID=277932' target='_blank'>http://www.worldrowing.com/news/fullsto ... 932</a><br /><br />Oh look………………Proof!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I haven't looked at anything Dwyane Adams has posted except his mileage. I can not really wrap my brain around the idea of erging so very much every day. I know that really well trained rowers do in fact row more than would seem humanly possible. When I see what really great rowers in my category are doing - my heart fills with nausea, dissappointment, dread and a little bit of awe. Perhaps I will express this by saying, "no effing way!" (the correct response being "way.") But I generally mean something less printable.<br /><br />At the moment - imagining an English woman starting a 2k piece at a 1:38 makes me go "gah." Dude - I didn't need to know that. Keep those filthy links to yourself.<br /><br />I think the answer is that many people don't doubt what is posted on this site. Most of the people who've responded probably row and erg for reasons beyond what gets posted here - so its not really an issue. But since the erg is 'fair' and there are erg competitions - we approach erg stuff with much less skepticism than we would apply to other online arenas. You are more skeptical and you've spoken up. But I don't think you are going to get a lot of backers on this. We are not going to chip in to buy you a plane ticket to Arizona to see for yourself. Even if you promise to set up a video-camera and a web-link.<br /><br />mwa

[[old] Chad Williams]

I will travel to Boston to watch Dwayne race.<br />But going by previous races he will not even row sub 7.00 minutes for a 2000m.<br />(This is based on him never rowing under sub 7.00 in a comp before as far as I know. So this is not not just a cheap shot comment).<br /><br />Look, when Dwayne comes along onto this topic, he can give me all I have asked for, and the topic will be closed, you guys are making such a big issue out of such a simple thing.

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-Ducatista+Jan 16 2006, 07:17 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ducatista @ Jan 16 2006, 07:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For my edification, could someone explain what is a "chad" ? It is not in the dictionary, and I am sure I am missing something funny!  <br /><br />Thanks<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Consider yourself lucky. Though chads <i>are</i> funny, I suppose, in a tragicomic sort of way. <br /><br />A chad is a little scrap of paper. Most people had never heard the term "hanging chad" before November 2000, but the US presidential election that year branded the term into the American consciousness. This BBC gives a good, quick explanation:<br /><br /><a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1233594.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americ ... 594.stm</a> <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Thanks Ducatista! <br /><br />Here in Canada, we are still doing it the old way, i.e. putting a cross with a lead pencil in a little square on a piece of paper!

[[old] Yukon John]

Here in Canada, we are still doing it the old way, i.e. putting a cross with a lead pencil in a little square on a piece of paper! <br />

[/QUOTE]<br /><br />Don't put a smiley face on the ballet though or it might be a chad . Although with the current election in progress, maybe that wouldn't be so bad . Sorry, politics has nothing to do with rowing and shouldn't be allowed here! How's that for freedom of speech .