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[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » January 10th, 2006, 2:27 am

John I dont see any reason why the author would make up such a quote - you do realise that Zatopek was talking about a 'forced' rest maybe thru injury or illness, not just a scheduled rest. That may well sit better with your mental picture of how the man operated. Just a thought George

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 2:32 am

Here is Coe's training the week before the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles: From "Training Distance Runners", by Peter Coe & David Martin, 1991, p244-5. Mon Jly30: Interval pace maintained but recovery reduced; AM- 4 miles easy PM- warm up 6x 300m @ 38/39s with 2:00 recoveries cool down 2 laps @ 90s followed by easy jogging Tue Aug01: AM- 4 miles easy PM- a first session to maintain the feeling of 800m race pace; warm up 10x 200m @ 27s with 2:00 recoveries cool down 2 laps @ 90s followed by easy jogging Wed Aug02: A second session to maintain the feeling of 800m race pace; warm up 3x 400m @ 52/51/51s cool down 2 laps @ 90s followed by easy jogging Thu Aug03: Rest, some easy jogging to stay loose; Fri Aug04: AM- easy 3 miles, including some strides during the run; PM- race 800m heat #1 late evening easy jogging to stretch the legs Sat Aug05: Exactly identical to Friday; race 800m heat #2 Sun Aug06: AM- easy jogging to stretch the legs and stay loose; PM- race 800m semifinal; late evening easy jogging to stretch the legs Mon Aug07: AM easy jogging in the manner desired PM 800m final, 2nd place to Joachim Cruz Tue Aug08: 8 miles easy running, no fast paced racing style efforts Wed Aug09: no fast paced racing style efforts; 10x 100m easy strides and accelerations Thu Aug10: AM- 3 miles easy plus a few faster paced strides than those of Wednesday PM- race 1500m heat #1 late evening easy jogging to stretch the legs Fri Aug11: AM- easy jogging in the manner desired PM- race 1500m semifinal; late evening easy jogging to stretch the legs Sat Aug12: easy jogging in the manner desired race 1500m final, 1st pace Coe was an 800m specialist usually running around 1:41 to 1:44 and with a range of 46 seconds to 3 3/4 minutes, so this training is very light compared to those who run longer distances. Even so, his schedule shows that he ran every day, usually twice and sometimes three times a day, even in the last week and during the days of the Olympic competitions.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 2:38 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(george nz @ Jan 9 2006, 07:35 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I have had many outstanding races after a forced rest. This illustrates the critical role rest and recovery play in getting the most out of training. Emil Zatopek </td></tr></table> I have seen some authors say what you quoted, but haven't seen those words coming from Zatopek nor anything like them. "This illustrates the critical role rest and recovery play in getting the most out of training" doesn't sound like him and is not anything that I have seen him say anywhere. The only forced rest I know of him having was when he got a hernia from running around with his wife on his back. And I seriously doubt that having a hernia would have helped him to run any faster.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 2:44 am

Tim Noakes, in "Lore of Running", pushed the idea of a forced rest and then subsequent training to overcome the effects of overtraining and refers to someone calling this the Zatopek phenomenon. Zatopek became ill in 1950 and was held in a hospital for two weeks. He was released a few days before a 10000 meter race and lapped the field. Then a few days later he won the 5000 meters by 23 seconds. However, neither of these were Zatopek's best times nor close to them.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 2:50 am

Jeff Galloway made the U.S. Olympic team in 1972 by running a 2:18 marathon. He also qualified in the 10000 meters and ran that event to allow a teammate to run in the marathon. After he retired he came up with the Galloway run/walk system of finishing a marathon, even stating that it was faster than running, which it isn't. Anyone can see that running is faster than walking. Ernst Van Aaken of Germany came up with the walking breaks idea of training in the 1950's. Of course it was also done long before that. It is fine as a way of training but not racing. Prior to the 1972 Olympic Trials and Championships, Galloway had trained intensely running 175 mile weeks at altitude.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 2:57 am

Emil Zatopek's last week before competition: "Monday I ran 5 x 200, 40x 400, 5x 200 intensive; "Tuesday, 5x 200, 20x 400, 5x 200 easy; "Wednesday, 5x 200, 20x 400, 5x 200 intensive; "Thursday, 5x 200, 10x 400, 5x 200 easy; "Friday, 5x 200, 10x 400, 5x 200 carefully intensive; "Saturday, only warming up 5x 60 to 80 meters -- ching! ching! ching! -- only to see if the nerves are able to command the muscles. "Then competition on Sunday."

[old] ancho · Post by **[old] ancho** » January 10th, 2006, 6:31 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(brianric @ Jan 10 2006, 12:15 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I make it easy for my motivation. No TV unless I row, except when I have breakfast. Helps that I have three digital video recorders (one Tivo, two Replays) to record my shows. </td></tr></table> How do you row while having breakfast?

[old] ancho · Post by **[old] ancho** » January 10th, 2006, 6:44 am

BTW, I did my PB running 10k (39,07) last december 31st. This is more than 4 min less than my previous PB. The week before I just had 1 smooth 11,5k run, 10k rowing OTW and 2k OTE (On The Erg). The rest was EATING, maybe all those carbs were better than training

[old] Andreas · Post by **[old] Andreas** » January 10th, 2006, 3:37 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Forge @ Jan 7 2006, 07:24 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Alright I wanted to get some other thoughts on this but is it good or bad to give yourself a day off? I usually am working out 7 days a week whether through my school training or at a gym on the weekend. On the weekends I usually do a more 'relaxed' workout just to kind of rest. Now thing I wanted to ask was I skipped today because I have had my throat bothering me for a day or two now and I had gone yesterday but found it hardER to do a workout because my legs were stiff from the previous day. Is this bad to not have done anything workout wise today or am I kind of shooting myself in the foot? What I m getting at is, is it good to give yourself a days break once in a while? I usually take maybe 1 or 0 days off in a month and I always seem to feel guilty to myself after Thanks! -Forge </td></tr></table> Ignore all advice from JR and you will be OK. I rest a lot(2 days a week)doing something I like to do,like fishing

[old] brianric · Post by **[old] brianric** » January 10th, 2006, 3:42 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(ancho @ Jan 10 2006, 05:31 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(brianric @ Jan 10 2006, 12:15 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I make it easy for my motivation. No TV unless I row, except when I have breakfast. Helps that I have three digital video recorders (one Tivo, two Replays) to record my shows. </td></tr></table> How do you row while having breakfast? </td></tr></table> I watch the morning news while eating breakfast. That is the only exception to my rule on watching TV, otherwise I row. Watching TV without doing something else is such a waste of time.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 4:08 pm

It is hilarious when someone suggests to ignore me, and yet reads every single one of my messages.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 4:12 pm

It isn't as easy to ignore Emil Zatopek or Seb Coe though. It isn't so easy to ignore Eskild Ebbesen or Elia Luini either, as they are the current World Record holders, for the 30+ and open divisions.

[old] Andreas · Post by **[old] Andreas** » January 11th, 2006, 12:37 am

[right] [/quote] IGNORE ALL ADVICE from JR and you will be OK. I rest a lot(2 days a week)doing something I like to do,like fishing [/quote]

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