Day Off

[old] Forge · Post by **[old] Forge** » January 7th, 2006, 8:24 pm

Alright I wanted to get some other thoughts on this but is it good or bad to give yourself a day off? I usually am working out 7 days a week whether through my school training or at a gym on the weekend. On the weekends I usually do a more 'relaxed' workout just to kind of rest. Now thing I wanted to ask was I skipped today because I have had my throat bothering me for a day or two now and I had gone yesterday but found it hardER to do a workout because my legs were stiff from the previous day. Is this bad to not have done anything workout wise today or am I kind of shooting myself in the foot? <br /><br />What I m getting at is, is it good to give yourself a days break once in a while? I usually take maybe 1 or 0 days off in a month and I always seem to feel guilty to myself after<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />-Forge

[old] Citroen · Post by **[old] Citroen** » January 8th, 2006, 7:14 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Forge @ Jan 8 2006, 12:24 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What I m getting at is, is it good to give yourself a days break once in a while? I usually take maybe 1 or 0 days off in a month and I always seem to feel guilty to myself after <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You should be taking a day off every week to avoid overtraining.<br /><br />Take a look at the Pete Plan<br /><a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5409' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 409</a><br /><br />Which is nicely summarised at:<br /><a href='http://www.machars.net/peteplan.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.machars.net/peteplan.htm</a>

[old] gw1 · Post by **[old] gw1** » January 8th, 2006, 11:06 am

Citroen is right, rest is your friend. If you are following a structured progran that has periodized higher intensity sections around races etc. Then it is most important that rest is factored in, for both mental and physical reasons.<br /><br />GW

[old] FrancoisA · Post by **[old] FrancoisA** » January 8th, 2006, 1:36 pm

A day of rest every week is a <b>necessity</b> if you want to optimize your progress! It considerably reduces the chace of injuries, overtraining, and illness and allows more intense training. It is a <b>part</b> of training, and you should not feel guilty about it!<br /><br />Francois

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 8th, 2006, 5:03 pm

I never take a day off when serious about training and have gone for more than a year a few times without missing a day.<br /><br />The day you lose takes more than a couple days to catch up.<br /><br />I wonder what your competition is doing while you're resting?<br /><br />If you are tired, sore or stiff etc, you can always just exercise gently and easily, and this is much better than doing nothing at all.<br /><br />Even after running marathons, it is far better to run easily for a few days than do nothing.<br /><br />As you have found out, just sitting in a chair doing nothing leaves your body in disarray and makes it harder to get going the next time.<br /><br />By the way, you breathe every day don't you?

[old] Forge · Post by **[old] Forge** » January 8th, 2006, 9:22 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I wonder what your competition is doing while you're resting? </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thats usually my motivation to get myself up and do something regardless of intesity, I mean when I get to water training from the begining of it till the end we dont have a day off or anything.

[old] brianric · Post by **[old] brianric** » January 9th, 2006, 7:15 pm

I make it easy for my motivation. No TV unless I row, except when I have breakfast. Helps that I have three digital video recorders (one Tivo, two Replays) to record my shows.

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » January 9th, 2006, 11:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I have had many outstanding races after a forced rest. This illustrates the critical role rest and recovery play in getting the most out of training.<br /> Emil Zatopek </td></tr></table><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>The bottom line is that the body does not get fitter through exercise; it gets fitter through the recovering from exercise.<br /> Peter Keen (coach of Chris Boardman) </td></tr></table><br /><br />For anyone to imply that to rest for a day is a backward step in your training is contrary to all evidence. (dont take anyones word here for it search the www and you will find if from many many sources) The level of intensity of your training will dictate the amount of rest that you need and yes a gentle session can be as good as a day off - but dont forget that you can well do with breaks from a mental aspect as well. If you dont want to take a complete day off then do some gentle cross training.<br /><br />If you wonder what your competition are doing then maybe they are training harder, resting more, and getting faster as a result. Exercise is all about stress and adaptation and that adaptation takes place while you are resting not exercising.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/overtraining.html' target='_blank'>Article on rest</a><br /><br /><a href='http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0290.htm' target='_blank'>Or this one !!</a><br /><br />cheers George<br /><br /><br /><br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 9th, 2006, 11:55 pm

George,<br /><br />Thanks for your input.<br /><br />Can you provide the source or link for the quote by Zatopek?<br /><br />I have quite a few articles about him plus a lengthy interview and have never seen him say anything like that. Also that doesn't sound to be the way he would express himself nor the words he would use. So I would be interested to see the source of the info.<br /><br />Perhaps someone else suggested the idea but it didn't come from Zatopek.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 9th, 2006, 11:58 pm

Also there is a distinction between "rest" and "days off".<br /><br />You can rest and recover very well without taking days off, i.e. you don't stop breathing do you? <br /><br />Then why would you stop moving.<br /><br />The only thing lack of any exercise or movement does is stiffen you up and you lose your conditioning, very quickly.

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » January 10th, 2006, 1:00 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jan 10 2006, 04:55 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>George,<br /><br />Thanks for your input.<br /><br />Can you provide the source or link for the quote by Zatopek?<br /><br />I have quite a few articles about him plus a lengthy interview and have never seen him say anything like that. Also that doesn't sound to be the way he would express himself nor the words he would use. So I would be interested to see the source of the info.<br /><br />Perhaps someone else suggested the idea but it didn't come from Zatopek. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />John I will have a look, I think it comes from a book I have so will have a look and get back to you.<br /><br />I would be keen to read the articles you have about 'a legend' and anything else you have. I will PM you an e-mail address.<br /><br />tks George

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » January 10th, 2006, 1:03 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jan 10 2006, 04:58 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Also there is a distinction between "rest" and "days off".<br /><br />You can rest and recover very well without taking days off, i.e. you don't stop breathing do you? <br /><br />Then why would you stop moving.<br /><br />The only thing lack of any exercise or movement does is stiffen you up and <b>you lose your conditioning, very quickly.</b> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Would have to disagree with this last statement as the speed with which condition is lost is a matter of conjecture. But I do agree with the point on rest days vs days off. I like a comment I read in a book recently that training is like 'having a conversation with your body' and sometimes I think there is nothing wrong with 'silence' but only the athlete can really know. Maybe a conversation sung to a different melody will suffice.<br /><br />George

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » January 10th, 2006, 1:28 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jan 10 2006, 04:55 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>George,<br /><br />Thanks for your input.<br /><br />Can you provide the source or link for the quote by Zatopek?<br /><br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />John it comes from a book called <a href='http://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books/Sports_ ... cts_id=419' target='_blank'>Personal Best</a> by Jon Ackland from <a href='http://www.performancelab.co.nz/research.aspx?nid=5' target='_blank'>Performance Lab</a><br /><br />I would not be so bold as to make a categorical statement such as you have that he did not say it - I have just read a book <a href='http://www.sportsbooksdirect.co.uk/prod ... odID=75053' target='_blank'>The Perfect Distance</a> about Ovett and Coe and both of them experienced similar things after coming back from an enforced rest.<br /><br />Here is another quote that you may like more : <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>When a person trains once, nothing happens. When a person forces himself to do a thing a hundred or a thousand times, then he certainly has developed in more ways than physical. Is it raining? That doesn't matter. Am I tired? That doesn't matter, either. Then willpower will be no problem.<br />Emil Zatopek </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />regds George

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 2:04 am

Hi George,<br /><br />I would be glad to email any of the articles to you, but they are in books, magazines, clippings and not on computer. If I get around to typing some excerpts then I will post them or email them to you.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 10th, 2006, 2:10 am

I believe you regarding the quote being in that book but am still convinced that, while it may have been attributed to him, it was not made by Zatopek. Perhaps it was made by the author of the book.<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Here is another quote that you may like more : <br />When a person trains once, nothing happens. When a person forces himself to do a thing a hundred or a thousand times, then he certainly has developed in more ways than physical. Is it raining? That doesn't matter. Am I tired? That doesn't matter, either. Then willpower will be no problem.<br />Emil Zatopek </td></tr></table><br />Yes I like that quite a bit.

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