What Percentage Of Joggers Should Row

[[old] afolpe]

Given a choice, the time, and even halfway decent weather, any outdoor form of exercise is preferable to essentially any indoor exercise (except one, and it isn't erging...) Erging is definitely the most time effective workout you can get, and less boring than any other indoor exercise, but I'd take running, biking, rowing on water, kayaking, chopping wood, hiking, you name it first if I had all the time in the world. <br /><br />andrew

[[old] Samroot]

Oh! the jealous ponderous ones,whose only chance of seeing the other side of 20 mins. for a 5k is on the seat of their pants! I sympathize. <br /><br />I've been running for over 40 years,and more recently mostly barefoot-my legs have never felt better. Example: this morning 0600 37F,10k barefoot on grass. I've<br />been doing it so long,I just don't know any better. <br /><br /><br />On another note,on a beautiful sunny All Souls Day my 93 year old mother completed her journey across the River Styx. In a much diminished mental state and bedriden at home the last few years,she had her eye on the opposite shore for quite some time. <br /><br />In the vein of great recent running reminiscences,in the UK forum diaries,an anecdote involving my mother. In October 1977 my brother was race director of the Buffalo Skylon Marathon. In the last couple of days before the race,registration had closed and someone called the house asking if he could enter. My mother answered the phone and was adamant, no it was to late-after 8 children she knew how to say NO. We asked who was it? She grumbled some guy named Dick Buerkle,as if it should matter. They called him back and let him in. The following January he set the world record in the indoor mile and is one of the few people to beat Steve Prefontaine head to head.

[[old] Byron Drachman]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The only reason most people would get injured running is if they weren't running at all but jogging, i.e. banging on their heels with each stride. </td></tr></table> <br /><br />Hi John,<br /><br />That describes my "running, jogging," or whatever it should have been called. <br /><br />The guy I know who is older than me and still runs a lot looks light on his feet, and he makes it look effortless. Usually when I see him he is cross training, for example cycling. <br /><br />Byron<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

[[old] tditmar]

<!--QuoteBegin-Xeno+Oct 31 2005, 05:46 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Oct 31 2005, 05:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In my humble opinion there are only VERY few people who should be running for exercise.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /> <br />I am curious what you mean by this? Is it because most of them are so overweight and risk injury due to stress, or because the runners you see use poor form? Or is it something else?

[[old] Ducatista]

<!--QuoteBegin-Samroot+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Samroot)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->On another note,on a beautiful sunny All Souls Day my 93 year old mother completed her journey across the River Styx. In a much diminished mental state and bedriden at home the last few years,she had her eye on the opposite shore for quite some time.    <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Sorry to hear that, Samroot—even if it was a welcome event for her, I'm sure it's hard on you.

[[old] John Rupp]

Sam,<br /><br />Thanks for your post, and sorry about your mom.<br /><br />I can relate as mine is 85 now.

[[old] Xeno]

<!--QuoteBegin-tditmar+Nov 2 2005, 02:02 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(tditmar @ Nov 2 2005, 02:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Xeno+Oct 31 2005, 05:46 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Oct 31 2005, 05:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In my humble opinion there are only VERY few people who should be running for exercise.   <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I am curious what you mean by this? Is it because most of them are so overweight and risk injury due to stress, or because the runners you see use poor form? Or is it something else? <br /> </td></tr></table><br />You are right: poor form and to a degree overweight.<br />XENO

[[old] seat5]

<!--QuoteBegin-Roland Baltutis+Nov 2 2005, 02:36 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Roland Baltutis @ Nov 2 2005, 02:36 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Nov 1 2005, 10:54 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 1 2005, 10:54 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Bostonwnb+Nov 1 2005, 08:26 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Bostonwnb @ Nov 1 2005, 08:26 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Roland Baltutis+Oct 31 2005, 08:40 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Roland Baltutis @ Oct 31 2005, 08:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I chose 25% because I believe you are usually better off outside with fresh air and changing scenery. If you wear correct running shoes and avoid running on hard surfaces you should be OK. However there are a number of overweight, large frame people or even big boob women that would be more comfortable or better off on the erg.<br /><br /><br />Roland Baltutis<br />   <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Well Roland, as you are so freely dispensing advice, do you think it would be ok for 'big boob women' to play golf or drive a small car? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Tread carefully Roland... <br /><br />1 vote for Golf, Tennis, Beach Volleyball, and Frisbee; Driving the Small car should be fine as long as it's a convertible. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'll be brave and say it's ok for big boob women to drive small cars.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />Because if they have an accident at least they won't need the air bag.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Just don't tell my wife I said that or I'll be in BIG TROUBLE.<br /><br />Rockin Roland <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Well, I don't know if your wife is a big boob woman, but she doesn't need an airbag as long as you're in the car with her! <br />

[[old] joanvb]

Thank you all....Xeno (for starting this!), Carla, Roland... <br /><br />Joan

[[old] Samroot]

Yes Ducatista, even though I'm relieved its over,it was still heartwrenching to see her frail little body taken out of the house for the last time ,after living there for more than 60 years. After returning from the Presidio post WW2 with 3 of my brothers and father they moved in there,the only house we ever knew. I can only marvel at how that little woman passed those 8 noggins-including 2 sets of twins. I take solace in knowing it was good to be one of Mrs. Neal's pale little aliens-half our body weight was in our heads as children. Childhood obesity was not an option. There was two food options-eat what was there or don't eat.<br /><br />To borrow a phrase,She had 'Irish alzheimers'-she forgot everthing but the grudges. <br /><br />In the end,it was 'the old person's friend',pneumonia that took her,after surviving colon cancer 10 years ago and numerous TIA's since.<br /><br /> Thanks for your sentiment.<br /><br /><br /><br />Thanks John<br /><br /><br />You hate too see them suffer needlessly or lose their quality of life. I hope your mother is in reasonably good health.<br /><br />You're one of my original inspirations for entertaining the notion to go barefoot. I've run 50-60 times barefoot since August,and at least a couple hundred miles-including 14 and 21 milers. I fully appreciate the foot as shock absorber and lever now. I feel no wear in my knees whatsoever. Its what I call forefoot loading. My only casualty has ben stepping on a mud wasp and getting stung about a month ago. Its the emperors new shoes-the best shoes were already there. My nike frees are now my cushioned shoes.<br /><br />

[[old] Jim Barry]

Great to see the barefoot running still working for you Sam. I just got my Frees this week and am breaking them in walking about. A few quick sprints have me smiling though. I put in a total of 55 miles barefooted this past summer. <br /><br /><br />--Jim

[[old] johnnybike]

<!--QuoteBegin-Samroot+Nov 3 2005, 11:36 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Samroot @ Nov 3 2005, 11:36 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />To borrow a phrase,She had 'Irish alzheimers'-she forgot everthing but the grudges. <br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sorry to hear of your loss Sam. My mother is 86, wheelchair and housebound. Whilst she is happy, she is also waiting to move on. The only visitors she gets now are health visitors and the local priest (she lives in a room at my brothers house). However she says that they all seem shocked when she says that she will be glad when the day comes. <br /><br />On a lighter note. Your phrase made me recall a Irish woman I worked with, who when describing her desk as being a bit untidy would say 'it's all over the place like a mad woman's breakfast'. <br /><br />

[[old] Samroot]

Hi Jim! <br /><br /><br />Glad to see you like them so far-I love them. I got a second pair but still wearing the originals-torn across both heels but still working.<br /><br /> I've been wanting to post my findings for a long time,but overwhelmed at work-a 100 year old family business where the only constant is change.<br /><br /><br />I've run 3 xc races barefoot-2 5ks and an 8k.-21:36,20:40,and 33:56. My goal is to get the pace under 6:30/mi. Got the one 5k down to 6:39/mi.,so might have to wait till next year. I get great leg turnover-I think my lungs are still catching up to them. I don't profess to have special feet-somewhere between normal and high arch. Your feet sense the ground better barefoot,and for lack of a better term,there is not a whole lot of 'micro banginng' going on.<br /><br />I'll post more later on if I get the chance-late night-monthend,yearend.<br /><br />This morning 0550 10k barefoot on the grass at the high school under the watchful eye of Orion,then back home,strap on the old frees and take the four legged lad for a 2 mile jaunt through the village.<br /><br />By the way,how are you making out with your dad? I can identify,my father was a CMDR USNR,active duty WW2,mechanical engineer,died in 1995 in a nursing home at 83. It took me a long time to go see him there in such a diminished state.<br /> I finally did the last couple of weeks. It was worth it. But,I'd rather be dead than end up in a nursing home.

[[old] John Rupp]

I had a long chat with my mom last night and she is of the firm mind that something needs to be done about the atrocious care in most, if not all, nursing homes.<br /><br />She was in a rehab place for 21 days this summer for a dislocated shoulder, and the care they gave her could hardly have been any worse. However the PT's did a great job and helped her to get going again, plus I was talking with her every day on the phone.<br /><br />They gave her a sleeping pill -- without her permission -- one night and she was groggy and out of it all the next day. The next day they came with another pill and she said "what's that???". They said oh it's to help you sleep. She said, "No! I don't want that". They said well you have to take it as it's the doctor's orders. She refused to take it though and they gave up, though I'm surprised they didn't knock her out and force it down her throat!<br /><br />The doctor had come in the first day when some of her friends were there, totally ignored her in the bed and started talking to them. "She this.... she that... she blah blah blah......". The woman said "we're just her friends, she's over there" pointing to my mom. He still didn't talk to her at all, left the room and then caused h*** for her the next two weeks because the rehab place kept insisting to do everything he'd written on his report. Meantime he'd gone on "vacation" and never showed up to see her again.<br /><br />Every time they mentioned the doctor's report she said, "how you fire someone you've never hired in the first place?".<br /><br />Eventually she got them to take her to another one who rewrote the report so she could regain the use of her arm. In the meantime though and with my support plus the PT's she'd been sliding the sling off every time they weren't looking, so she recovered much more quickly than they had expected. I told her to keep aiming for the 21 days and the last week, every time they came in she said, remember that I'm going home this friday!!!". She said most of the patients there were drugged up to the gills and had no clue whatsoever whether they were coming or going.<br /><br />IT IS A VERY SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS! <br /><br />By the way, my dad was also USN, at Pearl Harbor and Lieutenant Commander, I believe, also a Mechanical Engineer. He passed away last September at age 88 after a very tough last few years. It was hard to see that and he became a totally different person at the end. He was starting to lose focus in the last days, not knowing where he was or what he was doing, talking about they were trying to get him in and out of a carriage, again, while he was in a hospital room. My mom said he didn't make any sense, though I could understand what he was saying. He kept calling my mom "Mary Jane" which was his younger sister's name. My mom's name is Mary Lou. However all my life he would often call me "James" and my brother "John". I guess that's what he did when he was thinking of something else. But he was having a lot of trouble getting his thoughts straight at the end, and recognizing who was there or even if they were.<br /><br />The last day one of the nurses asked him, "who is that woman over there?", pointing to my mom. My dad gazed around the room then over at my mom and said, "that's the woman I love!". <br /><br />He fell asleep then and that night passed away. <br /><br />That was one of the nicest things that I know of that he said his whole life and it meant a lot to me.

[[old] Jim Barry]

Sam,<br /><br />Dad is doing pretty well. The best part is he is so foggy so he does not get where he is exactly. The staff is very upbeat and he sort of picks up on their moods and seems happy. We all fear he would get really sad if we told him he would never be coming home again, but I think even if that topic did come up he would forget about it in the next 5 minutes. I think I've sort of said good-bye to him already in someway so visits are complex where I both enjoy it and hate it. <br /><br />Make no mistake, aging parents are a difficult thing.<br /><br />Mom's life is tremendously improved. She is out on the town and in fact on local TV after making a huge effort to nominate her friend for a public service award one the NBC affilliates gives every year. I like to think this relief (time away from the house) is something Dad is doing in his passive role being cared by professionals. <br /><br />Got my first Nike Free run in this morning. I know I was supposed to go slow, but I just could not help myself. PB for 4 miles! (7:08 miles) and not full on. I've only been running once or twice a week too.