What Percentage Of Joggers Should Row

[[old] johnnybike]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Nov 1 2005, 05:07 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Nov 1 2005, 05:07 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Injuries are, unfortunately, a fact of the runner's life. While running is an excellent way to improve the cardiovascular system, it puts tremendous strains on the musculoskeletal system. Runners' feet and legs take more pounding than they are made to handle, making runners the most frequent visitors to sport-medicine specialists with problems ranging from minor aches and strains to torn Achilles tendons and damaged knees. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks for the cheery words Francois <br />I am about to try orthotics to see if that helps my knee problems. If it does not then I will pack in my most enjoyable hobby.<br />I still contend that easy paced, low volume running can assist in a general workout

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-csabour+Nov 1 2005, 03:25 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(csabour @ Nov 1 2005, 03:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->hehe i guess heavyweights dont understand. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You sound a bit like the "legalize recreational narcotics" advocates. <br /><br />Now, now... We hwt's do understand, and are so compassionate that we allowed the creation of your very own class of competition just so you wouldn't have to feel left out of the rowing community and be forced to stick with the more destructive running. And contrary to popular belief, it wasn't done just to increase the likelihood of having a good supply of coxswains readily available. <br /><br />BTW - I'm very much in support of letting people do whatever they like, as long as they do not directly harm others or expect others to bear responsibility for the results of the self inflicted harm that they end up causing. (ooops, getting far too serious for the Training forum.)

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-csabour+Nov 1 2005, 03:25 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(csabour @ Nov 1 2005, 03:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->umm why isn't there a choice for 0 percent? </td></tr></table><br /><br />I was wondering the same thing and would have voted for that too.

[[old] johnnybike]

I think a probably light-hearted post with good intentions has turned into a rowing v running debate. <br /><br />I am sure nobody meant it to turn out that way and I for one can see benefits in both disciplines. Personally I am as fit as I have been for 10 years by mixing both sports.<br /><br />Each to their own and good luck<br /><br />John

[[old] bmoore]

<!--QuoteBegin-Janice+Oct 31 2005, 07:20 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Janice @ Oct 31 2005, 07:20 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Interesting idea, but I think I'd rather jog along a beach in the California sunshine than sit on a rowing machine inside. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I used to put my erg out on the deck and row when I lived in Mahattan Beach. It is possible to do both. I loved watching the dolphins and the surfers mingle.<br /><br />Of course one time a seagull flew toward me and dropped a bomb...I saw it tracking very close me, but it thankfully missed a direct hit by about two feet but had enough mass to splash up on my legs. I wish I had heard about strapless rowing back then...<br /><br />Now I row in the basement...Big Sigh...

[[old] Byron Drachman]

<!--QuoteBegin-johnnybike+Nov 1 2005, 06:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnnybike @ Nov 1 2005, 06:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think a probably light-hearted post with good intentions has turned into a rowing v running debate. <br /><br />I am sure nobody meant it to turn out that way and I for one can see benefits in both disciplines. Personally I am as fit as I have been for 10 years by mixing both sports.<br /><br />Each to their own and good luck<br /><br />John <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hi John,<br /><br />I looked at your blog, and I think I see why you like running so much. There was a reference to a boat race. Do you row on water as well as erg, or was that using the C2 and pace boat on the monitor? <br /><br />Like many, but not all people my age, I gave up running entirely years ago because I was getting a lot of knee pain, even though I only ran on soft surfaces. My favorite runs were on mild winter days running through trails in the woods.<br /><br />Rowing on a river on a cool fall day with the fall colors is just as good. For me, it's even better. <br /><br />Byron<br /><br />

[[old] Roland Baltutis]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Nov 1 2005, 10:54 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 1 2005, 10:54 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Bostonwnb+Nov 1 2005, 08:26 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Bostonwnb @ Nov 1 2005, 08:26 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Roland Baltutis+Oct 31 2005, 08:40 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Roland Baltutis @ Oct 31 2005, 08:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I chose 25% because I believe you are usually better off outside with fresh air and changing scenery. If you wear correct running shoes and avoid running on hard surfaces you should be OK. However there are a number of overweight, large frame people or even big boob women that would be more comfortable or better off on the erg.<br /><br /><br />Roland Baltutis<br />   <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Well Roland, as you are so freely dispensing advice, do you think it would be ok for 'big boob women' to play golf or drive a small car? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Tread carefully Roland... <br /><br />1 vote for Golf, Tennis, Beach Volleyball, and Frisbee; Driving the Small car should be fine as long as it's a convertible. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'll be brave and say it's ok for big boob women to drive small cars.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />Because if they have an accident at least they won't need the air bag.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Just don't tell my wife I said that or I'll be in BIG TROUBLE.<br /><br />Rockin Roland<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

Roland,<br /><br />I'd say you're already in big trouble.

[[old] Xeno]

I can run for fifteen seconds and feel pretty light on my feet. After that short period my sensation of lightness changes to heaviness... <br /><br />I could train to run longer BUT at what cost to my joints.<br /><br />I believe in cross training and if I were capable of running for an hour I WOULD. There is nothing more liberating than putting on shoes and feel light like the wind, just running, no bike, no boat, just endless trotting, WOW! Lucky are the few capable bodies who can run endlessly.<br /><br />XENO

[[old] johnnybike]

<!--QuoteBegin-Byron Drachman+Nov 1 2005, 07:18 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Byron Drachman @ Nov 1 2005, 07:18 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[I looked at your blog, and I think I see why you like running so much. There was a reference to a boat race. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hi Byron, thanks for checking out the blog. The Boat Race is the November Challenge for the Sub 7 IRC. It is the distance of the Oxford-Cambridge race - 6780 metres.<br />My first attempt was 25:29.9 which is only 0.4 secs /500 off my 6K PB pace. With another couple of goes I would like to get it down to 1:53.0/500 an 0.2 improve.<br /><br />Never been boating but I can appreciate sense of achievement and enjoyment you would get from being out on the river on a glorious day. I think you might have to put up with a lot of horrible days as well though.<br />John <br />

[[old] ancho]

<!--QuoteBegin-johnnybike+Nov 1 2005, 10:37 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnnybike @ Nov 1 2005, 10:37 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br /><br />I saw some of the slower runners come past and as a runner I wondered what pleasure they could get out of putting themselves under such extreme pressure and obvious suffering.<br /><br /><br />John <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />This would NEVER happen to an erger!!!

[[old] Byron Drachman]

I thought I'd take another jab at runners before this thread dies. <br /><br />I know very few people my age or older who are runners unless they started running late in life. Most people I know who are in my age bracket and who ran a lot when younger are no longer able to run due to bad knees, hips, ankles, etc. I also know one exception--a fellow older than me who runs long distances. So there are exceptional people who can run a lot and apparently never suffer any damage. <br /><br />Now that I've annoyed the runners, let me point out that we should add the trampoline to Pauls's list of activities suitable for "big boobed women." It's fun to watch. There, now I've offended just about everyone.<br /><br />John, you might want to add rowing on water to your sports. Given your love of the outdoors and possible problems with knees, I think you'd like it and it would be a good alternative to running, or at least another way to cross train and cut down the running mileage. But be warned: rowing on water is extremely addictive. Especially once you start getting the hang of it.<br /><br />Byron

[[old] joanvb]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Never been boating but I can appreciate sense of achievement and enjoyment you would get from being out on the river on a glorious day. I think you might have to put up with a lot of horrible days as well though.<br />John <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />In Michigan and lots of places I can think of, there are probably more than a few days that one wouldn't want to (or couldn't) row on the water ....but, fortunately, there are some rowing spots where a "horrible day" on the water is quite rare...In southern California, there might be one or two not-so-nice days for rowing. (Some might call that boring. I'm not one of them!) <br />Joan

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-johnnybike+Nov 1 2005, 10:37 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnnybike @ Nov 1 2005, 10:37 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />I saw some of the slower runners come past and as a runner I wondered what pleasure they could get out of putting themselves under such extreme pressure and obvious suffering.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ancho+Nov 2 2005, 02:27 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ Nov 2 2005, 02:27 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />This would NEVER happen to an erger!!!     [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Unless going at 16 spm. <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-Byron Drachman+Nov 2 2005, 08:19 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Byron Drachman @ Nov 2 2005, 08:19 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />I know very few people my age or older who are runners unless they started running late in life. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Byron,<br /><br />I've been running all my life with the exception of a few years in my mid 20's, realized how out of shape I was and started running again. However I often ran part or all the way to school in grade school which was 2 miles and went out for track the first time in 9th grade. I ran my first marathon around a dirt track on my own at age 19 then ran many more starting at age 28 and have run 36 of them total. Also I used to run as many as 46 races in one year.<br /><br />The only reason most people would get injured running is if they weren't running at all but jogging, i.e. banging on their heels with each stride. What is funny is that a lot of people choose to row the same way.<br /><br />Running is a lot of fun and is much more fun than rowing. I do both.