What Percentage Of Joggers Should Row

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » November 1st, 2005, 2:39 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Roland Baltutis @ Oct 31 2005, 06:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I chose 25% because I believe you are usually better off outside with fresh air and changing scenery. If you wear correct running shoes and avoid running on hard surfaces you should be OK. However there are a number of overweight, large frame people or even big boob women that would be more comfortable or better off on the erg.<br /><br />Having said that though, not everyone has access to an excellent rowing coach like Xeno and could encounter injury problems on the erg too.<br /><br />Xeno, does your erg studio have all its ergs indoors or do you have the option of erging outside where there is a bit more air movement?<br /><br />Xeno, I also enjoy reading all your articles in Rowing MagOZine. Your last article "How I became a collegiate rower in the USA", was excellent reading. I'm looking forward to reading more of your articles in that magazine and hopefully some on sculling. I just bought a new latest technology racing scull and would be interested to read your tips on successful sculling.<br /><br />Roland Baltutis<br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hello Roland<br />Thank you for your compliments about the Rowing Magazine articles. It is a lot of fun for me to come up with stories. I have a few more in my bag, especially when it comes down to describing how coaches helped me put the sculling stroke together.<br />The ergos are inside. The Iron Oarsman is long and narrow and at either side is a door. There is always a nice airflow going through. We thought about rowing outside for special occasion at different locations but it would be too much effort!<br />Where are you from? Your name does not sound OZZY.<br />We loved Australia when we traveled down under for the Olympics.<br />XENO

[old] johnnybike · Post by **[old] johnnybike** » November 1st, 2005, 9:00 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Oct 31 2005, 05:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>In my humble opinion there are only VERY few people who should be running for exercise. Some people seem to be running because they suddenly woke up and had great fear of the future.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />How patronising is that?. Just because you are a good rower Xeno does not mean that it suits everyone. Running is a great exercise (so is rowing) and both give pleasure and fitness to many people. Running is a more natural exercise than rowing and I would suggest it is likley to be better for weight loss and CV fitness as well.<br /><br />There are a lot of rowers who run as well and perhaps have started rowing more in recent years as age starts to play a little on the joints and times start to get slower. Hopefully I will erg for many years but I want to be able to run as well, right into the sunset hopefully.

[old] gw1 · Post by **[old] gw1** » November 1st, 2005, 10:25 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>In my humble opinion there are only VERY few people who should be running for exercise. Some people seem to be running because they suddenly woke up and had great fear of the future.<br /><br /><br /><br />How patronising is that?. Just because you are a good rower Xeno does not mean that it suits everyone. Running is a great exercise (so is rowing) and both give pleasure and fitness to many people. Running is a more natural exercise than rowing and I would suggest it is likley to be better for weight loss and CV fitness as well. </td></tr></table><br /><br />No Johnnybike Xeno is not being patronising. Overweight people would be far better off starting a weight loss / fitness regimine with a lower joint stress exercise than running. Rowing, swimming (including treading water) resistance training (including body weight exercises), pilates, commercial eliptical trainers (Arc Trainer etc) etc are better choices.

[old] Annabassand · Post by **[old] Annabassand** » November 1st, 2005, 10:31 am

I think that quite a lot of rowers on this forum also run? I certainly do and get a lot of enjoyment from it

I really miss running if I haven't been out for a week or so. <br /><br />Whatever works for you is fine by me. <br /><br />/Anna

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 1st, 2005, 11:09 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Oct 31 2005, 07:38 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 1 2005, 01:23 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>No need to run, unless there is something larger and scarier in pursuit. <br /><br />Erging is just about as efficient as you can get for use of time to gain fitness... And face it, with the price of shoes these days, I'd wager that the Erg is far more cost effective. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Not only erging is as efficient for your cardio, but one also gains strength. Plus, lets face it, rowers look better than long distance runners <br />As far as cost is concerned, swimming is also inexpensive: a $25 polyester swim suit (for men) last at least 200 hours! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, but the pool costs a bit more. <br />

[old] Bostonwnb · Post by **[old] Bostonwnb** » November 1st, 2005, 11:26 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Roland Baltutis @ Oct 31 2005, 08:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I chose 25% because I believe you are usually better off outside with fresh air and changing scenery. If you wear correct running shoes and avoid running on hard surfaces you should be OK. However there are a number of overweight, large frame people or even big boob women that would be more comfortable or better off on the erg.<br /><br /><br />Roland Baltutis<br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Well Roland, as you are so freely dispensing advice, do you think it would be ok for 'big boob women' to play golf or drive a small car?<br /><br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 1st, 2005, 11:54 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Bostonwnb @ Nov 1 2005, 08:26 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Roland Baltutis @ Oct 31 2005, 08:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I chose 25% because I believe you are usually better off outside with fresh air and changing scenery. If you wear correct running shoes and avoid running on hard surfaces you should be OK. However there are a number of overweight, large frame people or even big boob women that would be more comfortable or better off on the erg.<br /><br /><br />Roland Baltutis<br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Well Roland, as you are so freely dispensing advice, do you think it would be ok for 'big boob women' to play golf or drive a small car? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Tread carefully Roland... <br /><br />1 vote for Golf, Tennis, Beach Volleyball, and Frisbee; Driving the Small car should be fine as long as it's a convertible.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » November 1st, 2005, 3:55 pm

Alright my stomach hurts from laughing.<br /><br />Let's take the US for example. When watching CNN we hear that US citizens are gaining more weight... More weight equals less fun running, right? I would be a great runner in a pool with some sort of a semi floating jacket. There is a name for such a jacket.<br /><br />And hey! If you are capable of running that is really great! I believe in cross training and change is good for the mind. If I had to run I would feel like a truck going up hill stuck in first gear with several flats and an oil leak. That is why when I trained for the Olympics my cross training discipline was the road bike. So if you were to see me running along the Back Bay bike path you would want to through an Iron Oarsman business card at me. <br /><br />Speaking of converitables and golf, I am sure that there are men who have issues too. I won't go there...

[old] Krysta Coleman · Post by **[old] Krysta Coleman** » November 1st, 2005, 4:12 pm

After my pregnancy, I did try running with my baby in a jogging-type stroller. I had almost instant pain in my knees. I'm not really carrying <i>that</i> much extra weight and I am only 26, but I heard there might be something about post-pregnancy and breastfeeding hormones loosening up the joints. In any case, I don't seem to have this trouble with rowing, so this is my new exercise of choice.

[old] Ducatista · Post by **[old] Ducatista** » November 1st, 2005, 4:46 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>No need to run, unless there is something larger and scarier in pursuit. </td></tr></table><br />You mean like middle age spread? <br /><br />In an oranges-to-apples comparison, fresh, citrusy rowing kicks rotten, wormy running ass, IMO. That said, I'm upping my meters quotient this fall specifically to reduce my bulk in time to start running in January. A friend is bound and determined that I'll do the Chicago marathon with her next fall.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 1st, 2005, 5:08 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ducatista @ Nov 1 2005, 01:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>No need to run, unless there is something larger and scarier in pursuit. </td></tr></table><br />You mean like middle age spread? <br /><br />In an oranges-to-apples comparison, fresh, citrusy rowing kicks rotten, wormy running ass, IMO. That said, I'm upping my meters quotient this fall specifically to reduce my bulk in time to start running in January. A friend is bound and determined that I'll do the Chicago marathon with her next fall. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of King Kong. <br /><br />Perhaps you can get the gig of piloting the Camera Bike! Seriously, with friends like that.... well, you know how it goes.

[old] johnnybike · Post by **[old] johnnybike** » November 1st, 2005, 5:37 pm

In my previous post I managed to both start and end a sentence with the word hopefully. I don't think I could do that again if I tried.<br /><br />I perhaps used the wrong word in describing Xeno as patronising. However I cannot think of a better, apter word.<br /><br />I recently helped marshall a 10 mile trail race that my running club puts on each year. There were over 500 runners, literally of all shapes and sizes. I was at the 6.5 mile stage and watched the lead runners come from (the leader actually held the world road 10K and HM bests for short periods) and then saw all the others follow.<br /><br />I saw some of the slower runners come past and as a runner I wondered what pleasure they could get out of putting themselves under such extreme pressure and obvious suffering.<br /><br />These runners were not joggers doing a local 500m round the block fast walk. This was a 10 mile trail race and they knew full well what they were doing. Their enjoyment was the sense of achievement they would get from finishing, no matter what the time. I would not want to take that oopportunity away from anyone.<br /><br />Erging is great, so is golf or anything else that keeps your heart moving and your lungs working. I think there is an American saying about 'whatever floats your boat' and if someone wants to exercise then great, it is much better than doing nothing.<br /><br />Xeno, why not approach a local jogging/sports club and invite them them down for a dedicated session and try to extol the virtues of the C2. You might convert them and it is probably a better use of yor time than handing out business cards.<br /><br />PS, saw your diary post and thanks<br /><br />John

[old] FrancoisA · Post by **[old] FrancoisA** » November 1st, 2005, 6:07 pm

A good book on running injuries and how to treat them is:<br /><a href='http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087596 ... R&v=glance' target='_blank'>Running Injury-Free</a>. In the 3rd paragraph of chapter 1, they wrote:<br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Injuries are, unfortunately, a fact of the runner's life. While running is an excellent way to improve the cardiovascular system, it puts tremendous strains on the musculoskeletal system. Runners' feet and legs take more pounding than they are made to handle, making runners the most frequent visitors to sport-medicine specialists with problems ranging from minor aches and strains to torn Achilles tendons and damaged knees. </td></tr></table> <br />Regarding women, they wrote:<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Women's hips are, on average, wider than men's. Therefore, a woman's foot strikes the ground at a greater angle than man's. This promote overpronation, an excessive inward rolling of the foot, which can lead to a variety of injuries. What's more, women's tissues are more elastic than men's. This makes women more liable to ligament and joint damage. </td></tr></table> <br />On a personal note, after more than 30 years of running, I decided to call it quit last summer. For the past several years the pain in my left knee was getting worse, and I also came to the conclusion that running was negatively affecting my swimming and erging. <br />To excel at erging as a lwt, I need to gain an extra 10 lbs of muscle, while to excel at running I would need to loose 20 lbs of muscle (I have very little body fat). Those are quite contradictory requirements!

[old] johnnybike · Post by **[old] johnnybike** » November 1st, 2005, 6:21 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Nov 1 2005, 05:07 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>A good book on running injuries and how to treat them is:<br /><a href='http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087596 ... R&v=glance' target='_blank'>Running Injury-Free</a>. In the 3rd paragraph of chapter 1, they wrote:<br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Injuries are, unfortunately, a fact of the runner's life. While running is an excellent way to improve the cardiovascular system, it puts tremendous strains on the musculoskeletal system. Runners' feet and legs take more pounding than they are made to handle, making runners the most frequent visitors to sport-medicine specialists with problems ranging from minor aches and strains to torn Achilles tendons and damaged knees. </td></tr></table><br />Regarding women, they wrote:<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Women's hips are, on average, wider than men's. Therefore, a woman's foot strikes the ground at a greater angle than man's. This promote overpronation, an excessive inward rolling of the foot, which can lead to a variety of injuries. What's more, women's tissues are more elastic than men's. This makes women more liable to ligament and joint damage. </td></tr></table><br />On a personal note, after more than 30 years of running, I decided to call it quit last summer. For the past several years the pain in my left knee was getting worse, and I also came to the conclusion that running was negatively affecting my swimming and erging. <br />To excel at erging as a lwt, I need to gain an extra 10 lbs of muscle, while to excel at running I would need to loose 20 lbs of muscle (I have very little body fat). Those are quite contradictory requirements! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks for those cheery words Francois <br />I am just about to try some orthotics before I give up the hobby I love most (although golf is close). I do not want to get into longer time problems through a short-term desire to run. However that does not negate from the points I made earlier. Low volume, easy paced running can help. Full stop, or period in USA parlance. <br />

[old] csabour · Post by **[old] csabour** » November 1st, 2005, 6:25 pm

umm why isn't there a choice for 0 percent?<br /><br />frankly we don't have:<br />a ) the research backing<br />b ) the right<br />to tell joggers to stop what they are doing and sit on a stationary machine a pull a chain until you feel sick.<br /><br />running is fun and if taking with moderation there is nothing wrong with it. I enjoy a little cross training. its excellent for clearing the mind. <br /><br />hehe i guess heavyweights dont understand.

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