Averages vs. Splits

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Averages vs. Splits

Post by ohCanada » April 13th, 2016, 1:06 pm

I understand averages but don't know what splits indicate, and splits appear to be important in erging.

Sometimes the two are exactly the same; sometimes they're not.

Should I be recording both? only the splits?

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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by jamesg » April 14th, 2016, 11:28 am

A Split is the time we take to go 500 m. Olympic courses for rowing are 2000 m length and there are markers every 500 m.

On the Erg, the Split value relates to the Power you put into the handle. The erg measures the power and from this calculates the 500 m Split time. The more power the shorter the time.
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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by ohCanada » April 14th, 2016, 2:17 pm

jamesg wrote:A Split is the time we take to go 500 m. Olympic courses for rowing are 2000 m length and there are markers every 500 m.

On the Erg, the Split value relates to the Power you put into the handle. The erg measures the power and from this calculates the 500 m Split time. The more power the shorter the time.
Thanks, James.

So does the split differ from the AV/500 because it represents the most recent 500? In which case, the AV/500 is more important, right?

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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by Dickie » April 14th, 2016, 3:59 pm

ohCanada wrote:
jamesg wrote:A Split is the time we take to go 500 m. Olympic courses for rowing are 2000 m length and there are markers every 500 m.

On the Erg, the Split value relates to the Power you put into the handle. The erg measures the power and from this calculates the 500 m Split time. The more power the shorter the time.
Thanks, James.

So does the split differ from the AV/500 because it represents the most recent 500? In which case, the AV/500 is more important, right?
Splits are important indicaters of how you are doing during the effort. In the end, all that really counts is the final Time
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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by ohCanada » April 14th, 2016, 6:07 pm

Thanks, Fred. That helps too.

So when I read the forum and people are talking about their 500m splits, which one are they talking about? And, as you point out, why do they really matter to anyone else? They may vary over the course of a row; they are helpful to the rower; but all that really matters is your final time.

Also . . . I guess we warm up and THEN start the erg, right? Do I just keep track of distances (warm up, the row, the cool down) on a paper and add them up after?

Thanks again for all the help!!

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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by jackarabit » April 14th, 2016, 8:22 pm

Pace (time to complete 500m) is identical to split time in the single special case, described by James, in which the workout or competed distance is divided or split into 500m segments. Splits can be of any length convenient to one''s purpose--100 meters, 2500m, or whatever. The rowing-derived vernacular collapses distinctions and discrimations into a little fuzzy ball of confusion.
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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by ohCanada » April 14th, 2016, 8:27 pm

Fuzzy ball of confusion. Ya got that right. ;)

And as I read your reply, I recalled seeing pics of people's post erg PM screen, showing all their splits. As I have yet to get that fancy-schmancy, all I see is the one on the screen while I'm rowing. Part of my misunderstanding may lie in trying to compare fuzzy oranges with fuzzy peaches.

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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by jamesg » April 15th, 2016, 1:26 am

Use Watts and forget all the rest. It makes it clear if you're not actually rowing, which starts at 100 to 200W according to age size and sex.

If you record your data, then average Watts, Time aboard and Rating are all you need. The Just Row split screen set to Watts shows it all: last stroke, average current 5 minute split, average since start.

If you have this information, then any analysis can be done at any future date.

It's not easy to record our only real subjective physiological data, liters of sweat, but no doubt you can find a way. A pint a day is a good start. HR can serve as monitor, but not control as it's too slow to react. Just get it up but not too high.
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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by ohCanada » April 21st, 2016, 6:10 pm

Thanks remisture!

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Re: Averages vs. Splits

Post by Edward4492 » April 21st, 2016, 8:07 pm

The big numbers on display (assuming you're set to see your 500m pace) is the time to cover 500m paced on your current stroke. Your 500m average pace is constantly changing based on your pace. If your average shows 2:00 and you start pulling 2:10's the average will start to creep up (you're going slower). The big number on display on a screen shot can be deceptive because it depicts the last pull. Look for the average, the time and the distance.

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