Garmin watch and PM5

[pierre]

I eventually put an hand over a garmin 210, since I'm not satisfied with the F3 indoor rowing mode, unfortunately, GC messed up with the data, I manually entered the proper distance since.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1113056093 but there is no way I could hold a 3'45/mile-pace.
The same training with the data sent straight from GC to Trainingpeaks http://tpks.ws/exQqy and the pace is right (but the distance was still messed up as it took the final distance as in GC).
Strange, isnt it?
Did it happen to anyone else?

[Dwalin]

Pierre: Did you use the interval setting on the PM? I have noticed some weird behaviour with Garmin watches (in my case FR610) and PM4/5 when using the interval setting.

An attempt at describing the issue can be found here: http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=113358
TL;DR: Reported distance of active interval appear to be distance rowed during interval + assumed steady pace during rest periode (despite not having rowed more than 2-3 strokes at beginning of rest period).
In one instance I did 500m intervals that got reported as 750m.

Initially I thought the issue applied only to the PM5, but I think it has happened when using PM4 as well.

[alanmushnick]

The next version of the garmin VivoactiveHR will have Rowing as a sport to track strokes and other parameters and heart rate. Might fit the bill for some folks. I would suggest dcrainmaker blog for incredibly detailed fitness gadget reviews.
Alan

[Carl Watts]

The next version of the garmin VivoactiveHR will have Rowing as a sport to track strokes and other parameters and heart rate. Might fit the bill for some folks. I would suggest dcrainmaker blog for incredibly detailed fitness gadget reviews.
Alan

Looks pretty good for swimming, I would probably no longer need to count the laps in my head (probably not a reliable method when you do 60) and would get an accurate time and HR as well.

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/02/garm ... ofit3.html

Cannot see pics on the rowing function but a list of what it can do is in the Q&A. This sort of thing must be great for OTW with distance and HR. Not sure how its going to count your strokes however, does it have an accelerometer built in ?

These watches have come along way in recent years and are looking really useful now.

Would be great if someone here could review it if they buy one.

[Carl Watts]

Found more info here under "Row, Row, Row".

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/wearabl ... 38374.html

Yes its going to be able to count strokes, now thats great can dump my box of tricks at the back of the rower thats counting the seat paases.

Thanks for posting the info, will obviously work great with the Garmin ANT+ chest straps and can be used simultaneously with the HR on the PM4.

[kris-o]

I suppose that it will work the same way current Garmin watches (Fenix3 etc.) do - you got 2 modes: Indoor Row and Row:
1. Indoor tracks HR and stroke rate (using accelerometer) - ANT+FE would be more than welcome but Garmin is not providing any info about coming back to support this protocol (they did support it for many previous models)
2. Outdoor tracks stroke rate, HR and all info you can get from GPS

I use Fenix 3 for swimming - works really great. Can detect my laps, stroke type. Dont have to count anymore, can configure alerts for distance, time, etc.
I do not use Indoor Row application because i cannot see much point in getting HR and stroke rate only. Maybe for calorie count and keeping track of the workouts in one platform (Garmin Connect)...

[pierre]

Pierre: Did you use the interval setting on the PM? I have noticed some weird behaviour with Garmin watches (in my case FR610) and PM4/5 when using the interval setting.

An attempt at describing the issue can be found here: http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=113358
TL;DR: Reported distance of active interval appear to be distance rowed during interval + assumed steady pace during rest periode (despite not having rowed more than 2-3 strokes at beginning of rest period).
In one instance I did 500m intervals that got reported as 750m.

Initially I thought the issue applied only to the PM5, but I think it has happened when using PM4 as well.

I noticed one issue with the interval on the PM as I set different ones : 4'20 on the PM, the timer on the PM starts with the 1st stroke pulled while the time keeps ticking on the watch. It's not that much of a problem for me as it happend previously when using the 910.

The main issue I encounter is that instead of understanding 2:00/500m or 4:00/1000m the watch and GC understand 4:00/mile.

[KevinConcept2]

(using accelerometer)

Which is pretty useless/inaccurate indoors. ANT+ FE from my Garmin 210 gives me power, intervals, and exact distance from the rower itself. And Concept2 Log export gives me stroke by stroke distance and total stroke count. If you want useful data indoors, it's gotta come from the rower hardware.

Now if only the Concept2 Log would export power and intervals (and date) to CSV, we could convert that to a .FIT file and upload to Garmin Connect. Waiting for Concept2 to give us better export ability seems to be more likely than Concept2 getting ANT+ FE-C in the PM5, writing a Garmin app, and convincing Garmin to let the app store the data to a activity file.

[kris-o]

I have Garmin FR60/FR70, purchased only for PM5 export but it does not calculate calories for some reason - contacted Garmin - they replaced FR60 for FR70 but it has the same problem - they dont have a clue what is going on.
SPM calculated by the Garmin watch from accelerometer was pretty accurate in my testing but, as i said, i think it is totally useless if you can export all from PM5...

I prefer using Painsled app on my iPhone - it gets data from PM5 and then i can export to tcx and share via email. I upload tcx to Garmin Connect and it works great.

[dannyk]

Hi, I have a fenix 3 and have used the indoor rowing app (link below) If i used an older watch such as the FR70 which has ANT + what extra data would i be getting? Also could anybody show me an example of how intervals look on Garmin Connect if a watch with ANT+ is used. Thanks

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1121942425

[AtlJimK]

Seconded for a request for Concept to work with Garmin to integrate ANT+ for Connect Indoor Rowing App.

[kris-o]

You will get power and speed. Calories will be probably 0 (at least thats how it works for me)

If you want, i can sell you my FR70. Its "new" from Garmin - they exchanged my FR60 for FR70 - it is probably refurb - new case with old internals (tested and confirmed to be 100% fine).

[KevinConcept2]

Also could anybody show me an example of how intervals look on Garmin Connect if a watch with ANT+ is used.

ANT+ isn't enough. It must be ANT+ FE. Here's the data from my FR210.

[KevinConcept2]

Painsled app on my iPhone

Requires PM5 (because Bluetooh Smart) and doesn't sync to Logbook (which is strange, because LiveRowing does).

[kris-o]

Painsled app on my iPhone

Requires PM5 (because Bluetooh Smart) and doesn't sync to Logbook (which is strange, because LiveRowing does).

Yes. As far as i know, Logbook integration and syncing with other platforms is in the works.