Wrist pain and rowing.

[hjs]

hjs writes, "The concept is a rowing simulation/training tool. So a handle that simulates rowing is pretty logic."
The C2 stock handle simulates neither a sweep action nor a sculling action. Silkybeard's modification, and similar others, enables a movement which more closely replicates a sculling action than the C2 stock handle, with the additional benefit of being bio-mechanically sound.

Last time I looked an oar is pretty straight.... It also would be pretty difficult to get two different motions, the sweep and scull, in on machine. It would be the one or the other.

If you want a more rowing like movement, you should get a rowperfect, you need much more room and its a lot more expensive. They are also not suited for racing off water.

[Slidewinder]

Yes, an oar is straight, but the action isn't. A sweep oar handle moves through an arc. Sculling oar handles move through two arcs. The C2 stock handle does neither, so the enabled user movement replicates neither a sculling nor a sweep action. With Silkybeard's modification, and similar others, the enabled user movement is, as I stated, closer to sculling than that enabled by the C2 stock handle. From past posts you may recall that I also replaced the C2 stock handle on my Model D. I added some structure to the Silkybeard concept, which adds a sculling-related angular progression to the stroke, and also maintains a bio-mechanically correct alignment of the hands, wrists and forearms with the direction of applied force throughout the stroke. To refresh your memory, see my short YouTube video, "Slidewinder on the Water".

[hjs]

Yes, an oar is straight, but the action isn't. A sweep oar handle moves through an arc. Sculling oar handles move through two arcs. The C2 stock handle does neither, so the enabled user movement replicates neither a sculling nor a sweep action. With Silkybeard's modification, and similar others, the enabled user movement is, as I stated, closer to sculling than that enabled by the C2 stock handle. From past posts you may recall that I also replaced the C2 stock handle on my Model D. I added some structure to the Silkybeard concept, which adds a sculling-related angular progression to the stroke, and also maintains a bio-mechanically correct alignment of the hands, wrists and forearms with the direction of applied force throughout the stroke. To refresh your memory, see my short YouTube video, "Slidewinder on the Water".

Is the concept2 perfect, no certainly not, but it gives both scullers and boardrowers a good way to train, the two most important aspects, the leg and backmovement are trained pretty well.
Most users will have no trouble with the handle, blisters excluded. For people who do have trouble with the handle stuff like you like to do can be usefull. But those people have trouble anyway. The wrists are if one has a good technique hardly used. One should not overly bend the wrists and also should we not pull hard on the last part of the stroke.

So again, for a small group of users modifications certainly can be usefull, but that is a nicegroup.

But for most, the current erg is fine, cheap, strong and will not give much trouble.

[Slidewinder]

In this forum, and the broader internet, there are enough references to wrist pain, wrist injury, tendonitis, carpal tunnel syndrome... to indicate that the rigid, single-piece stock handle on the C2 rowing ergometer causes more problems to users than you (and Concept 2) are willing to admit.

[Carl Watts]

In this forum, and the broader internet, there are enough references to wrist pain, wrist injury, tendonitis, carpal tunnel syndrome... to indicate that the rigid, single-piece stock handle on the C2 rowing ergometer causes more problems to users than you (and Concept 2) are willing to admit.

Yep and plenty just come from tapping away on a Keyboard all day as well as bad posture on your standard office desk.

I have had more problems with elbows than wrists. Pays to stay focused on your technique, drift off and you can have problems.

[Slidewinder]

Probably Concept 2 has received legal advice not to put stickers on the indoor rower warning of the risk of wrist (and other) injuries, because such warnings would be an admission that Concept 2 is aware of the bio-mechanical deficiencies of the handle design, knows that such deficiencies could cause injuries to users, but nevertheless continues to offer the unit, so equipped, for sale to the public. Similar advice was probably given to C2 representatives never to write anything on this forum suggesting that C2 knows that any design element of the indoor rower could cause user injury. Warning stickers and unguarded written admissions would weaken Concept 2's legal liability defence against potential personal injury lawsuits.

[hjs]

In this forum, and the broader internet, there are enough references to wrist pain, wrist injury, tendonitis, carpal tunnel syndrome... to indicate that the rigid, single-piece stock handle on the C2 rowing ergometer causes more problems to users than you (and Concept 2) are willing to admit.

My god man, you are something, EVERY sport will give injurees, you better stay on your sofa, and watch out picking up your beer, you might strain something, should be on the beercan......

You bring only negativety, the erg is very safe, only when you really start working hard you could get in trouble, reason? Hard work in any form is HARD ON THE BODY.

[Slidewinder]

Said the coach to the running team, "Remember, only size 10 shoes are allowed in these races, so those of you with size 9 or size 11 feet must pay special attention to your running technique, or risk injury. But otherwise, you have nothing to worry about."

[hjs]

Said the coach to the running team, "Remember, only size 10 shoes are allowed in these races, so those of you with size 9 or size 11 feet must pay special attention to your running technique, or risk injury. But otherwise, you have nothing to worry about."

Every runner has to run the same track, and has to run, not cycle or take a car.

In rowing you can use every technique, drag, strokerrate, shoe etc. If you want poke yourself on te eye? Go ahead, but complaining about sore eyes would be ... Eh I get it, It woud be You.
Everybody can easily get himself injured, you can in every sport. The point is learning not to.

Time to close this thread, you are only trolling

[Slidewinder]

Time to close this thread, you are only waffling.

[hjs]

Time to close this thread.

First time you make sense, good to see you see my point.

[Citroen]

Dear forum, please play nicely.