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JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » April 5th, 2006, 2:41 pm

Would or could you only force them to bend to your mad ill considered assertions eh John?

"Force them to bend"? Who do you think I am? Il Duce? And quite an image. A little wishful thinking?

What you call my "assertions" were that it is wise to see a physician when one is ill, and most often wise to ignore the advice of someone who thinks the entire medical community is composed of quacks and has gleaned his medical information from the Internet.

By the way you are 255 pounds, do you think you are so healthy?

By the way? Where did you come up with the idea that I weigh 255 pounds? Do you think you made me up?

And sorry, Ladies. But Mr. Rupp is something of a tarbaby.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 5th, 2006, 3:01 pm

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johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 5th, 2006, 3:10 pm

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » April 5th, 2006, 3:33 pm

Their results are not so good then are they, eh John?

Have you checked their results?

I know I should leave this alone; however --

Difficult to know what you would consider a measure of results, since the "evidence" you've offered thusfar has been anecdotal at best, and unsubstantiated ranting at worst. But here are some results of medical science over the last hundred and twenty-five years or so. Vaccines for cholera, typhus, rabies, tetanus, diphtheria, tuberculosis, yellow fever, polio, influenza, mumps, measles, chicken pox, rubella, hepatitis a and b, pnumonia. Also, blood typing and transfusion, penicillin, by-pass surgery, the pacemaker, organ transplant surgery, eradication of smallpox, joint replacement surgery ...

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 5th, 2006, 3:56 pm

Graphical evidence that vaccines had nothing to do with the decline in death rates from infectious diseases. Rather the declines resulted from "better methods of sanitation, sewage disposal, and distribution of food and water", all of which were opposed by the medical quackery institutions.

http://vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html

"When men differ, both sides ought equally be heard by the public, for when truth and error have fair play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter" -- Benjamin Franklin

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 5th, 2006, 4:00 pm

HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE DANGERS AND INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES

http://vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)

- In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)

- In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)

- In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)

- In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)

- In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)

- In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 5th, 2006, 4:02 pm

- In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)

-The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

- In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

http://vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 5th, 2006, 4:04 pm

- In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 5th, 2006, 4:05 pm

- In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

- On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Report by Michael Devitt)

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » April 5th, 2006, 4:08 pm

Graphical evidence ...

Evidence? Are you serious? This guy's "about me" doesn't even say whether he's been educated.

These graphs are meaningless.

And where, pray tell, did you come by the idea that the medical establishment was opposed to sanitation, sewerage disposal, and the distribution of food and water??

What a crank you are.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 5th, 2006, 4:14 pm

http://vaccinationdebate.com/about.html

ABOUT ME by Ian Sinclair

Hello, my name is Ian Sinclair and I live in a small country town on the east coast of Australia. For the past 20 years I have studied and researched both Vaccination and Natural Health philosophy. During this time I have written and published three books, Vaccination The Hidden Facts (1992), You Can Overcome Asthma (1993) and Health The Only Immunity (1995). I have conducted seminars on these topics throughout Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, and have an open challenge to any doctor in the world to publicly debate vaccination.

This is what I believe;-

1. Vaccines were not responsible for the decline in death rates from infectious disease and offer no protection whatsoever.

2. Vaccines are biological poisons, harmful to health, and a contributing factor in childhood illness.

3. Childhood infections eg, measles, chicken pox, whooping cough, etc, all serve a beneficial purpose, and if correctly treated, will result in an improvement in the child's health.

4. Complications and fatalities associated with childhood infections are due to poor underlying health and/or wrong treatment including suppressive drug therapy.

5. The only immunity against childhood infection is a state of physiological health.

I hold these beliefs not only because of my research into vaccination and natural health, but also because of my experience in raising a child without drugs and vaccines.

http://vaccinationdebate.com/raiseachild.html

I have created this site primarily to express my reasons for rejecting vaccination and its underlying theories, and also, to offer an alternative philosophy on the causes and prevention of childhood illness. For the sake of brevity, my comments are brief and to the point, and diagrams are included to assist with understanding. For those who desire a more thorough and detailed explanation of my views, my books are available through mail order. Should you wish to be kept informed of any updates or new articles to my website, just send me an email with the words 'mailing list' as subject heading.

And if I may, I would like to offer this final word to young parents uncertain as to whether they should vaccinate their children or not. In my opinion, the easiest and most certain way of resolving your doubts, is to gain a clear understanding of the basic causes of childhood infection and its beneficial nature, for not only will this explain the reasons why vaccines are ineffective, but more importantly, it will reveal to you the true means of disease prevention.

Ian Sinclair
April 2002

Last Update - Feb 18th 2006

Ducatista · Post by **Ducatista** » April 5th, 2006, 4:16 pm

JohnBove wrote:tar baby

D'you think you'll join the masses and put the baby on your Ignore list once the option presents itself? I don't think I will—too entertaining. But to each his own breaking point. Maybe one day I'll have gazed upon one inappropriate smilie too many, and I'll have to pull the plug on him. Zzzzzzt.

Sasha · Post by **Sasha** » April 5th, 2006, 5:29 pm

I was trying to be patient because I assumed he was over here at the women's forum practicing for after the surgery.

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » April 5th, 2006, 5:59 pm

D'you think you'll join the masses and put the baby on your Ignore list once the option presents itself?

The adult answer would be yes, of course. But he keeps pinning the KICK ME sign to his back and, well ...