(Relatively) New to Rowing

[Carl Watts]

But my real preference, if I had the space, is the model D on slides. It is easier on the back, like the dynamic, and it can be taken off the slides to use for legal ranked pieces.

Bob S.

Its probably about time that Concept 2 made some changes to the ranking system and added a column for the Dynamic.

Also with the release of the PM5 there should only now be verified rows in the rankings anyway.

A more sophisticated sort system so you can just pull out the Dynamic or static or for those that keep insisting they need to be able to post un-verified rows a sort to be able to remove them as well and get only verified rows.

Been on about it for years but its time the whole system including the challenges and annual meters board moved to verified rows as well.

RowPro is moving to a fully automated LogBook upload to C2 in V5, pretty much the same way you would want an App to work as well, your verified row gets automatically uploaded at the finish.

People that are against verified rows are starting to run out of excuses to why it shouldn't move that way.

[Bob S.]

Its probably about time that Concept 2 made some changes to the ranking system and added a column for the Dynamic.

Rows on the dynamic can be ranked and are labelled in the ranking with a D in the "Type" column. The standard rows are labelled I for "Indoor rower" and those done on slides are labelled S. The S is strictly honor system, but the log card knows when a row has been done on a dynamic, so there is no cheating possible there.
This is what you get when you click on the bracketed question mark after the word Type:
The Type column shows the indoor rower that the piece was done on.
I: Model A-E Indoor Rower
S: Indoor rower used with Slides
D: Dynamic Indoor Rower

[Edward4492]

Carl,
I'm with you on the verification, in particular for rows that qualify in the top ten in the rankings. In my class (50-59LWT) the fastest time is a 3:00 for 1000m, no V code and several seconds faster than the world record. I find this annoying (I'm currently in 5th place) as I use IND_V for all of my submissions. The second place guy is 18s back.Maybe not an issue for mid pack rankings, but there's simply no good reason not to use IND_V, a log card, etc. How many serious rowers are on a PM2? Some people may consider this petty, but the guys at the top are working very hard for their results, they don't deserve to have them trivialized.

[hjs]

Carl,
I'm with you on the verification, in particular for rows that qualify in the top ten in the rankings. In my class (50-59LWT) the fastest time is a 3:00 for 1000m, no V code and several seconds faster than the world record. I find this annoying (I'm currently in 5th place) as I use IND_V for all of my submissions. The second place guy is 18s back.Maybe not an issue for mid pack rankings, but there's simply no good reason not to use IND_V, a log card, etc. How many serious rowers are on a PM2? Some people may consider this petty, but the guys at the top are working very hard for their results, they don't deserve to have them trivialized.

Which would be a Wr. I always think, people who rank that stuff, know a least something about it, but does it help, no they post stuff without thinking a bit.
The point for concept is they don,t want to make it a real list, its for personal use only. The times are not never 100% certain. I could row a 1k and you could rank it with a V.
Its also possible, on longer work to make it a result.
And its even possible to fool the pm.

So concept stays out, the ranks are fun, but never 100% serious. There are always flaws. Deliberate and per accident.

[jackarabit]

1. Concept 2 encourages inclusive participation and pursuit of goals besides competition.
2. Concept 2 encourages the continued employment of "legacy" equipment.
3. Concept 2 recognizes the desirability and utility of both verification and personal integrity.
4. Concept 2 recognizes that all systems and safeguards can be subverted.
5. Concept 2 maintains a pre-Internet means of verification.

To my thinking, #5 is the BOTTOM LINE. I have only respect for the guys and gals with the 14' 2K and the balls (or appropriate equivalent) to verify it--using the post office if necessary! I would appreciate the addition of a sort which produces a ranking of verified times and a list of IND times.

[Bob S.]

So concept stays out, the ranks are fun, but never 100% serious. There are always flaws. Deliberate and per accident.

Lack of confirmation of age, weight, and gender are flaws that can't be avoided without a completely different approach. In that same vein, using a ringer can't be detected by the present system nor the new version. Same deal with a strong team playing games such as was done with the 2k a few years ago. That one didn't fly as a WR, of course, because the 2k has the public venue requirement. (Actually, I know of one case in which one somehow managed to slip by, but that is past history.)

I am not opposed to efforts to tighten up the system. I am just skeptical of any possibility of getting it to the point where there will not be doubts raised.

Bob S.

[jackarabit]

So concept stays out, the ranks are fun, but never 100% serious. There are always flaws. Deliberate and per accident.

I am not opposed to efforts to tighten up the system. I am just skeptical of any possibility of getting it to the point where there will not be doubts raised.

Bob S.

I agree. However, mitigation of the possible consequences (suspicion and cynicism) of the merest observed potential for abuse is worthy of consideration, no?

[GrantM]

I've started experimenting with this a little bit, and I'm realizing I have a long way to go on my legs. Being a distance runner (not recently, but historically), I never thought my legs would be my biggest area of weakness. Having done a little bit of experimenting afterwards, I've realized I've been doing the bulk of my work with my arms, something I wouldn't have thought possible.

My next skunk-works project will be to export those curves over the length of a workout (assuming I can get a software capable of doing just that). I have a lot of experience with visual analytics and it would be interesting to see what kind of data I can find. If I get anything that's visually interesting, I'll be sure to share.

Hi
I'm also new to this self induced torture acquiring my erg this month and it is patently obvious my skinny surfer chicken legs are in for one heck of a ride.
Been trying to get my technique down and the first few goes not much strain in the legs or the glutes, doing it wrong with all upper body.
A little more refining and my legs are now crying very quickly. I have to ease off on the push a lot if I want to do any distance.

I'm also very keen on the analytics part.
I have boatcoach which works as advertised.
Tried Rowpro trial yesterday, looks neat and hooked it up to a bigscreen infront of the erg. Only downside is pc and cables have to be there. Wireless would be awesome.
Training peaks looks like it has a wealth of info, although I have not been able to import csv from boatcoach, I believe from Rowpro it works.