Dwayne Posted As Missing In Action

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=57879:date=Mar 1 2006, 12:02 PM:name=todd)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(todd @ Mar 1 2006, 12:02 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>You can write about me too... There is no way my times are as slow as they are posted. They've not been verified either!<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You cheater ... posting times slower than you know you can row ... how dare you! You're letting nobody down but youself ... you should be ashamed of yourself. Go post the times you "feel" you should be rowing right now ... go ... go!<br /><br />(this is much more fun than debating Chad ...)

[[old] tmcguiness]

Will I get in trouble if I post a sub 9:00 2k?

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=57884:date=Mar 1 2006, 12:09 PM:name=todd)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(todd @ Mar 1 2006, 12:09 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Will I get in trouble if I post a sub 9:00 2k?<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Not if it's verified!<br /><br /> <br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=57880:date=Mar 1 2006, 12:04 PM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 1 2006, 12:04 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>[Eh ............................<br /><br /> I think there are not many rowers who row sub 6.10 and don,t race. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />HJS:<br /><br />I think you are dead wrong. I <b>personally </b> know a handful of rowers ... collegiate level ... who can go sub-6:20 any day on the erg. They <b>HATE </b> the erg ... wouldn't enter a race to save their mothers' lives. Wouldn't sign on here and post times or workouts for all the tea in China. I'm willing to bet there are TENS or HUNDREDS of rowers around the world like this ... <br /><br />My nephew pulls close to this, and he thinks I'm <b>crazy </b> to erg for fitness and fun, and to race. He's an OTW boy all the way ... and may take a shot at the National Junior Team.<br /><br />I'm interested in what the rest of y'all think about this. I believe there are a great many strong ergers out there who never race because they dislike erging, or think it's just plain silly to race machines that don't move (except for Rate35).<br /><br />-- Mark<br />

[[old] Anony Mous]

Why is only the Men's 40-49 heavyweight under such scrutiny. I have noticed that there are other rowers who have outstanding times that do not race. For all women 2000m rowers, only 1 of the top three times for all weight classes is denoted "RACE". Why haven't we accused these people of cheating. And what about all those 12 year old who didn't race.<br /><br />I think that Chad needs to expand the inquisitions. Make sure that truth and justice prevails over all categories. Perhaps a column could be written that talks about how lightweights, women and juniors aren't worth the time of day.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--quoteo(post=57899:date=Mar 1 2006, 10:28 AM:name=Anony Mous)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Anony Mous @ Mar 1 2006, 10:28 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Why is only the Men's 40-49 heavyweight under such scrutiny. I have noticed that there are other rowers who have outstanding times that do not race. For all women 2000m rowers, only 1 of the top three times for all weight classes is denoted "RACE". Why haven't we accused these people of cheating. And what about all those 12 year old who didn't race.<br /><br />I think that Chad needs to expand the inquisitions. Make sure that truth and justice prevails over all categories. Perhaps a column could be written that talks about how lightweights, women and juniors aren't worth the time of day.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, we understand that the first mistake was to use a specific name in this quest for ranking validity, and now it has morphed into some sort of strange inquisition where facts are few and far between. I can't see how anyone would really enjoy presenting information that could be embarrassing to someone else, but I'm sure it's possible that they could be goaded into it eventually.<br /><br />What would be an acceptable outcome after all of this? Do we want to see facts, or do we just want to stick with our beliefs? I'm really curious about this, and perhaps if we say what it is we want, then those that can do something about it should be able to fill the order and we can get on with being a bit more productive. <br />

[[old] Thomas]

<!--quoteo(post=57899:date=Mar 1 2006, 10:28 AM:name=Anony Mous)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Anony Mous @ Mar 1 2006, 10:28 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Why is only the Men's 40-49 heavyweight under such scrutiny. I have noticed that there are other rowers who have outstanding times that do not race. For all women 2000m rowers, only 1 of the top three times for all weight classes is denoted "RACE". Why haven't we accused these people of cheating. And what about all those 12 year old who didn't race.<br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Because that's the way it is.

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--quoteo(post=57903:date=Mar 1 2006, 06:41 PM:name=PaulS)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Mar 1 2006, 06:41 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What would be an acceptable outcome after all of this? Do we want to see facts, or do we just want to stick with our beliefs? I'm really curious about this, and perhaps if we say what it is we want, then those that can do something about it should be able to fill the order and we can get on with being a bit more productive.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />What I hope would happen is that Dwayne will race in public. Not for me, and certainly not for Chad, but for himself and the entire rowing community. I think that with better preparation, tapering and a consistent SR, Dwayne could be sub 5:40. Such exceptional performance by a 41 years old would be truly inspirational for the younger generations as well as people in his age group. It would be a landmark WR that would last a long time and push the boundary of what we thought was humanly possible at 40. Dwayne would enter the Hall of Fame, a place where the Chads of this world are excluded!<br /><br />Happy training everyone!<br /><br />Francois

[[old] hjs]

<!--quoteo(post=57885:date=Mar 1 2006, 06:18 PM:name=mpukita)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Mar 1 2006, 06:18 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57884:date=Mar 1 2006, 12:09 PM:name=todd)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(todd @ Mar 1 2006, 12:09 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Will I get in trouble if I post a sub 9:00 2k?<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Not if it's verified!<br /><br /> <br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=57880:date=Mar 1 2006, 12:04 PM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 1 2006, 12:04 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>[Eh ............................<br /><br /> I think there are not many rowers who row sub 6.10 and don,t race. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />HJS:<br /><br />I think you are dead wrong. I <b>personally </b> know a handful of rowers ... collegiate level ... who can go sub-6:20 any day on the erg. They <b>HATE </b> the erg ... wouldn't enter a race to save their mothers' lives. Wouldn't sign on here and post times or workouts for all the tea in China. I'm willing to bet there are TENS or HUNDREDS of rowers around the world like this ... <br /><br />My nephew pulls close to this, and he thinks I'm <b>crazy </b> to erg for fitness and fun, and to race. He's an OTW boy all the way ... and may take a shot at the National Junior Team.<br /><br />I'm interested in what the rest of y'all think about this. I believe there are a great many strong ergers out there who never race because they dislike erging, or think it's just plain silly to race machines that don't move (except for Rate35).<br /><br />-- Mark<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes i know,<br /><br />If I look at our national championships then there are lots of on water rowers who erg very well (5.55/6.15), but they don't rank there times but if you do rank your times than it's an other matter.<br />People who do rank there times ( most pure ergers) also race Mark. <br /><br />

[[old] dadams]

<!--quoteo(post=57903:date=Mar 1 2006, 01:41 PM:name=PaulS)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Mar 1 2006, 01:41 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>...and now it has morphed into some sort of strange inquisition where facts are few and far between. I can't see how anyone would really enjoy presenting information that could be embarrassing to someone else, but I'm sure it's possible that they could be goaded into it eventually.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Any Psychologists/Psychiatrists out there? Am I correct with my diagnosis...OCD? If not the text book definition, then maybe bording on?

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=57915:date=Mar 1 2006, 02:41 PM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 1 2006, 02:41 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>People who do rank there times ( most pure ergers) also race Mark.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Yes, but you said <b>row</b>, not <b>rank </b> ...

[[old] hjs]

<!--quoteo(post=57899:date=Mar 1 2006, 07:28 PM:name=Anony Mous)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Anony Mous @ Mar 1 2006, 07:28 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Why is only the Men's 40-49 heavyweight under such scrutiny. I have noticed that there are other rowers who have outstanding times that do not race. For all women 2000m rowers, only 1 of the top three times for all weight classes is denoted "RACE". Why haven't we accused these people of cheating. And what about all those 12 year old who didn't race.<br /><br />I think that Chad needs to expand the inquisitions. Make sure that truth and justice prevails over all categories. Perhaps a column could be written that talks about how lightweights, women and juniors aren't worth the time of day.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />A lot of races aren,t rankt as races. Only races in the us are and even some off does are not. So the rank term race doesn,t mean much. And it,s also not about the fact that all your rank times are races. <br /><br />If dwayne should have pulles 1 race no matter what distance in the range off the times he is ranking than all doubts are gone on my side.<br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=57910:date=Mar 1 2006, 08:18 PM:name=FrancoisA)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Mar 1 2006, 08:18 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57903:date=Mar 1 2006, 06:41 PM:name=PaulS)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Mar 1 2006, 06:41 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What would be an acceptable outcome after all of this? Do we want to see facts, or do we just want to stick with our beliefs? I'm really curious about this, and perhaps if we say what it is we want, then those that can do something about it should be able to fill the order and we can get on with being a bit more productive.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />What I hope would happen is that Dwayne will race in public. Not for me, and certainly not for Chad, but for himself and the entire rowing community. I think that with better preparation, tapering and a consistent SR, Dwayne could be sub 5:40. Such exceptional performance by a 41 years old would be truly inspirational for the younger generations as well as people in his age group. It would be a landmark WR that would last a long time and push the boundary of what we thought was humanly possible at 40. Dwayne would enter the Hall of Fame, a place where the Chads of this world are excluded!<br /><br />Happy training everyone!<br /><br />Francois<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />If we look as he claimed 5.46 and the way it is done, no preparation and strange rating, he should be able to break 5.40 indeed. he should be able to pull 5.55 if he got pulled out his with no problem at all.<br />The only point is he never did and never will do.

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=57918:date=Mar 1 2006, 02:50 PM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 1 2006, 02:50 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>The only point is he never did and never will do. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think you meant to say, "<b>IN MY OPINION</b> he never did and never will do."<br /><br />Yes?

[[old] PaulS]

<!--quoteo(post=57916:date=Mar 1 2006, 11:41 AM:name=dadams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Mar 1 2006, 11:41 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57903:date=Mar 1 2006, 01:41 PM:name=PaulS)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Mar 1 2006, 01:41 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>...and now it has morphed into some sort of strange inquisition where facts are few and far between. I can't see how anyone would really enjoy presenting information that could be embarrassing to someone else, but I'm sure it's possible that they could be goaded into it eventually.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Any Psychologists/Psychiatrists out there? Am I correct with my diagnosis...OCD? If not the text book definition, then maybe bording on?<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Diagnose who? Me? ODD. 8) <br />

[[old] hjs]

<!--quoteo(post=57921:date=Mar 1 2006, 08:55 PM:name=mpukita)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Mar 1 2006, 08:55 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57918:date=Mar 1 2006, 02:50 PM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 1 2006, 02:50 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>The only point is he never did and never will do. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think you meant to say, "<b>IN MY OPINION</b> he never did and never will do."<br /><br />Yes?<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />yes, But I have very, very little hope for all his fans, so that why it said it the way I did.<br /><br />At the moment I haven,t read one line from where he is even talking about racing. The only race he was talking about is the row agains Andreas on water. Meaning Nothing. If such a race should take place all doubts would stay intakt. It was only an attempt to distrackt.

[[old] rspenger]

<!--quoteo(post=57856:date=Mar 1 2006, 07:55 AM:name=Gary Blackman)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Gary Blackman @ Mar 1 2006, 07:55 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Personally, i don't know how he gets the time to row 45km a year while seeling real estate? <br /><br /><a href="http://www.goldgrouprealestate.com/agen ... 8ubq.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.goldgrouprealestate.com/agen ... tml</a><br /><br />Also he doesn't seem to have the natural physique as an erger! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Interesting. At first, I thought that you were referring to JR, who has also been billed as a realtor (as well as a “life coach”). JR’s picture doesn’t show his physique, but at 5’9” and 65 kg, it doesn’t seem to me that he has a natural erging physique, though he has mentioned that he was a weight lifter. As a former (?) body builder, DA at least has the musculature for it - the picture he provides shows that and he has been reported as being very large. The amount of time that JR apparently spend on his indoor rower seems to be in the same ball park as that of DA. As far as I know, JR has never competed on an erg in public. Perhaps they are alter egos - an erg version of the “Twins.”<br /><br />Bob S.<br /><br />