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[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-cbrock+Feb 6 2006, 04:52 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(cbrock @ Feb 6 2006, 04:52 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Feb 7 2006, 08:05 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Feb 7 2006, 08:05 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />Seems Dennis actually owns the Official <a href='http://www.concept2.com/05/training/com ... ecords.asp' target='_blank'>World Record</a> as of today, regardless of claims to faster times in that category. (I'm taking nothing from Mr. Parker, but the list is the list.  He seems to have been the unfortunate victim of dropping from the records at an inopportune time prior to the age class change.  In fact, that seems to have happened durin the epic battling between Dennis and Jean Paul, so it's all "still in the family" so to speak.)  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Paul,<br />I don't know the history of World Rankings but I assume it relates to the five year age groups after 50.<br /><br />What I don't understand is that if Lyle Parker did achieve this time aged 57 or 58 in a RACE then why isn't he still credited with the record irrespective if he raced in a 50-59 category.<br /><br />Chris <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm with ya there Chris, it seems that result records accurate enough to make the Parker claim completely verifiable are hard to come by. Dennis wasn't trying for a WR specifically and due to the category he was racing in that day (M 50-59 lwt) he got an EIRC silver medal for that performance.<br /><br />I really wouldn't have cared much about this particualr thread, but I saw JR's post as being a swipe at Dennis all while trying to appear otherwise. Perhaps I was being overly sensitive to such things, but that would be a first.

[[old] SteveS]

I did a lot of research into the remarkable Lyle Parker a few years ago, when 6:37.7 was listed, erroneously as it turned out, as the 60-69 ltwt record. <br /><br />As I recall Lyle rowed the 6:37.7 in a race in Australia. The people at Sykes probably have the records of the event in some old filing cabinet, should they want to dust them off and put in a claim for their native son. <br /><br />Lyle sent me some details on this training, which was remarkable for a least two reasons. First, he only trained 4 times a week on the erg. One of those outings was an hour piece at a modest pace (2:15) and two were short intervals also at relatively modest paces. <br /><br />What sets Lyle apart was the fourth regular session. He would do a warm up and then a flat out 2k. Red line every week. 50 or so times a year. <br /><br />In addition he lifted often and heavy and did a lot of swiming. <br />

[[old] hjs]

first time I had a look at the 10 seconds row ranger did. It lookes es if he is doing a power piece at rate 20 orso. he uses his back very much, his back is certainly leading and he is overreaching in my eyes at the end of the recovery. This is certainly not a stroke you can use to race a 2 K. It's to bad but he it,s and done with. He should have tested his rows along his training and than he would have know that this was not a doueble stroke.

[[old] Steve G]

Rich<br />Just noticed you hovering on the Forum, what was the story from the weekend, we are having a lot of conjecture and maybes, how about from the horses mouth.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Steve

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-Steve G+Feb 7 2006, 05:14 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Steve G @ Feb 7 2006, 05:14 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich<br />Just noticed you hovering on the Forum, what was the story from the weekend, we are having a lot of conjecture and maybes, how about from the horses mouth.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Steve <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It could be a concern regarding the other end of the horse...

[[old] nicholashkip]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Feb 7 2006, 09:25 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Feb 7 2006, 09:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Steve G+Feb 7 2006, 05:14 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Steve G @ Feb 7 2006, 05:14 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich<br />Just noticed you hovering on the Forum, what was the story from the weekend, we are having a lot of conjecture and maybes, how about from the horses mouth.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Steve <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It could be a concern regarding the other end of the horse... <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] nicholashkip]

I can be silent no more. At the Cincinnati race, Rich was in Lane 1, I was in lane 2 for event 7. There was also no warm up mode on our PM's, hence we could not check our drags. There was no verbal warning that the race was about to begin such as..."sit ready". I was still adjusting my foot stretchers, when a fiend of mine yelled to me...."nick they have started the race".By the time I grabbed my handle the screen was well past the row command and my competiton had at least two strokes on me.<br />This is when Rich put down his handle. Someone came to his side and asked him if he was OK. His reply was "cramps". He got off his C2 and vanished. I pulled a 6:46.2. Had I not been distracted, I would have pulled a better time. <br />Nothing worse than a DNF, espeacially for a WR and Ranger. <br /> E-mailed Mark P. and shared that wth him and the fact that rules are rules, therefore due to Rich's DNF everyone in event 7 defeated Ranger.

[[old] Sirrowsalot]

<!--QuoteBegin-nicholashkip+Feb 7 2006, 04:55 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(nicholashkip @ Feb 7 2006, 04:55 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can be silent no more. . .<br /> E-mailed Mark P. and shared that wth him and the fact that rules are rules, therefore due to Rich's DNF everyone in event 7 defeated Ranger. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I must have missed something. Did someone claim that rules are in fact not rules and that Ranger won the race despite his DNF?

[[old] Roland Baltutis]

<!--QuoteBegin-hjs+Feb 7 2006, 08:00 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Feb 7 2006, 08:00 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->first time I had a look at the 10 seconds row ranger did. It lookes es if he is doing a power piece at rate 20 orso. he uses his back very much, his back is certainly leading and he is overreaching in my eyes at the end of the recovery. This is certainly not a stroke you can use to race a 2 K. It's to bad but he it,s and done with. He should have tested his rows along his training and than he would have know that this was not a doueble stroke. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I just had a look at the 10 second snapshot row of Ranger and would have to agree with you on certain points. Although I never saw his previous stroke I'm not sure that his new stroke is any more efficient. I don't like his finish at all. In a boat it would be horrendous. But you can get away with a fair bit on the erg. Despite that it still looks bad. Violent is the best word I can use to descibe it. Over 2Ks it would burn a lot of energy that should be used elsewhere in the stroke.<br /><br />It also looked to me that he was over reaching a bit at the catch. To me that's extra effort that the body has to follow for the first bit of chain slack.<br /><br />Overall the technique looked like it would be difficult to maintain for the full duration of the 2Ks.<br /><br />Most importantly I believe it's madness not to try a new technique, at race pace, for the full distance in training, prior to racing. Lyle Parker did at least one 2K, flat out, per week for most of the year and I also do the same. <br /><br />Finally, did anyone notice the folded towel that ranger was sitting on. It would have been used to aid his technique because no one should get a sore bum from spending less than 7 minutes on a erg.<br /><br />All we need now is for Ranger to race and prove us all wrong. <br /><br />Just think of all the mental pressure building up in Ranger's head as he reads all these posts.<br /><br />Rockin Roland<br /><br />

[[old] Spectator]

I noticed the folded towel and assumed its purpose was simply that it was part of the ritual.

[[old] kinley]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nicholashkip  Today, 04:55 PM Post #1507  <br /><br /><br /> I can be silent no more. At the Cincinnati race, Rich was in Lane 1, I was in lane 2 for event 7. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Those your hands passing OVER Ranger's shoulder on the recovery?<br /><br />[EDIT] Can someone explain in words of one syllable how to properly cite previous posts? So that the header is black? Thanks.<br />

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-kinley+Feb 8 2006, 02:34 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(kinley @ Feb 8 2006, 02:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nicholashkip  Today, 04:55 PM Post #1507  <br /><br /><br /> I can be silent no more. At the Cincinnati race, Rich was in Lane 1, I was in lane 2 for event 7. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Those your hands passing OVER Ranger's shoulder on the recovery?<br /><br />[EDIT] Can someone explain in words of one syllable how to properly cite previous posts? So that the header is black? Thanks. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are you using the REPLY button in the bottom right hand corner of the post? This will quote everything in the post and leave the header bold.<br /><br />George

[[old] kinley]

<br />Thank you George. I had been clicking on "quote" above the "Enter your Post" blank space, then pasting in. Guess it's obvious I predate computers. <br />

[[old] hjs]

[quote=Roland Baltutis,Feb 7 2006, 11:31 PM]<br />[quote=hjs,Feb 7 2006, 08:00 AM]<br /><br /><br />All we need now is for Ranger to race and prove us all wrong. <br /><br />Just think of all the mental pressure building up in Ranger's head as he reads all these posts.<br /><br />Rockin Roland <br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />There is only one who builded up all this pressure. <br />He and only he though he could easely break his Pb without checking if he made progress enough to do that. He talked so much about it he fould himself. <br />For me it comes al together this last weeks. He refused to tell what precise training he did. The reason problebly being that the outcome was far less impressive then he needed. He pushed that aside thinking in time it will all fall on it´s place.

[[old] Cant Climb]

<!--QuoteBegin-nicholashkip+Feb 7 2006, 04:55 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(nicholashkip @ Feb 7 2006, 04:55 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can be silent no more. At the Cincinnati race, Rich was in Lane 1, I was in lane 2 for event 7. There was also no warm up mode on our PM's, hence we could not check our drags. There was no verbal warning that the race was about to begin such as..."sit ready". I was still adjusting my foot stretchers, when a fiend of mine yelled to me...."nick they have started the race".By the time I grabbed my handle the screen was well past the row command and my competiton had at least two strokes on me.<br />This is when Rich put down his handle. Someone came to his side and asked him if he was OK. His reply was "cramps". He got off his C2 and vanished. I pulled a 6:46.2. Had I not been distracted, I would have pulled a better time. <br />Nothing worse than a DNF, espeacially for a WR and Ranger. <br /> E-mailed Mark P. and shared that wth him and the fact that rules are rules, therefore due to Rich's DNF everyone in event 7 defeated Ranger. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sounds like a very poorly organized event. Ranger could have very well been mad and just got the H*ll out of there. Here's a guy who spent hour upon hour training and the event organizers cant even orchestrate a properly run race.....it would p*ss me off too.....<br />