Ranger - News To Shock

[old] ehagberg · Post by **[old] ehagberg** » February 3rd, 2006, 2:26 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Spectator @ Feb 3 2006, 01:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Interesting to note that Ranger has removed his name from the race at the Canadian Indoors this Sunday. He had previously registered.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.roninracing.com/eventlist.as ... &Width=400' target='_blank'>http://www.roninracing.com/eventlist.as ... dth=400</a> <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Looks to be listed there to me: <a href='http://www.roninracing.com/competitors. ... entID=6853' target='_blank'>http://www.roninracing.com/competitors. ... ID=6853</a>

[old] Spectator · Post by **[old] Spectator** » February 3rd, 2006, 7:52 pm

Oops, sorry. Don't know why I didn't see his name when it is so clearly there.<br />

[old] Sirrowsalot · Post by **[old] Sirrowsalot** » February 4th, 2006, 5:24 pm

76 different categories! That is absurd. Here's a newsflash for Canada: indoor rowing, while it has a loyal cult following and is a popular training tool for on the water rowers, is a very little-known sport. There are about 700 competitors, so this means that almost a third of the competitors will take home a medal! Everyone's a winner!

[old] TomR/the elder · Post by **[old] TomR/the elder** » February 4th, 2006, 5:31 pm

feeling a little cranky today, Sir?<br /><br />

[old] Sirrowsalot · Post by **[old] Sirrowsalot** » February 4th, 2006, 5:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(TomR/the elder @ Feb 4 2006, 04:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>feeling a little cranky today, Sir? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Haha, apparently.

[old] Spectator · Post by **[old] Spectator** » February 4th, 2006, 6:31 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Sirrowsalot @ Feb 4 2006, 04:24 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>76 different categories! That is absurd. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Perhaps they've been listening to JR - a category for everything.

[old] Sirrowsalot · Post by **[old] Sirrowsalot** » February 4th, 2006, 7:31 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Spectator @ Feb 4 2006, 05:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Perhaps they've been listening to JR - a category for everything. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think that might be a dilemma with a new and unknown sport like indoor rowing that is hoping to expand. You either go one way and say "come one, come all, categories for everybody, medals for all" to encourage wide participation or you go the other way to establish legitimacy and say "Well sir, you can certainly row, but since you're a 60 year old lightweight, you're probably not going to win here just like you're not going to win in any other sport."<br />

[old] ehagberg · Post by **[old] ehagberg** » February 4th, 2006, 7:47 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Sirrowsalot @ Feb 4 2006, 04:24 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>76 different categories! That is absurd. Here's a newsflash for Canada: indoor rowing, while it has a loyal cult following and is a popular training tool for on the water rowers, is a very little-known sport. There are about 700 competitors, so this means that almost a third of the competitors will take home a medal! Everyone's a winner! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Perhaps for some categories there's undersubscription, but the juniors have signed up in huge numbers. For those kids, a 3rd of them certainly aren't coming home winners, with 40-60 entries per division.

[old] Spectator · Post by **[old] Spectator** » February 4th, 2006, 7:55 pm

I think that's exactly the case. I didn't go and count the categories but they do seem to be aligned with the Crash-B categories + Juniors. The extra categories are just fun events - lots of categories for really young kids and some crew events.<br /><br /><br />

[old] TomR/the elder · Post by **[old] TomR/the elder** » February 4th, 2006, 7:57 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Sirrowsalot @ Feb 4 2006, 06:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I think that might be a dilemma with a new and unknown sport like indoor rowing that is hoping to expand. You either go one way and say "come one, come all, categories for everybody, medals for all" to encourage wide participation or you go the other way to establish legitimacy and say "Well sir, you can certainly row, but since you're a 60 year old lightweight, you're probably not going to win here just like you're not going to win in any other sport." <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Other sports have age-group competitions. Tennis and swimming are two that come to mind. OTW rowing is another. Indoor rowing is not unique.<br /><br />Us wise "masters" know the competition has thinned, and the medals won't fetch spit on eBay. No no one is fooling anyone. It's just a bit of heavy-breathing fun that can't be spoiled by an unknighted "sir."<br /><br />Tom<br /><br />Tom

[old] Sirrowsalot · Post by **[old] Sirrowsalot** » February 4th, 2006, 9:34 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(TomR/the elder @ Feb 4 2006, 06:57 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Sirrowsalot @ Feb 4 2006, 06:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I think that might be a dilemma with a new and unknown sport like indoor rowing that is hoping to expand. You either go one way and say "come one, come all, categories for everybody, medals for all" to encourage wide participation or you go the other way to establish legitimacy and say "Well sir, you can certainly row, but since you're a 60 year old lightweight, you're probably not going to win here just like you're not going to win in any other sport." <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Other sports have age-group competitions. Tennis and swimming are two that come to mind. OTW rowing is another. Indoor rowing is not unique.<br /><br />Us wise "masters" know the competition has thinned, and the medals won't fetch spit on eBay. No no one is fooling anyone. It's just a bit of heavy-breathing fun that can't be spoiled by an unknighted "sir."<br /><br />Tom<br /><br />Tom <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Very good, sir. I doubt, though, that even someone as wise as yourself could come up with 76 divisions for tennis or swimming (and these are more established sports to begin with, obviously). In any case, you're right, no need to take these things too seriously, all for fun and all that. Besides, I enjoy my categories as much as the next person.<br /><br />p.s. How were you able to deduce that I am in fact unknighted? Your astuteness has exposed me, at last.

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » February 5th, 2006, 6:08 am

In keeping with Ranger's Romantic approach to ergiong, I have consulted the I Ching for a non-scientific prediction of his performance today in Toronto (race time in about 4 hours): <br /><br /><br /><i>The present is embodied in Hexagram 4 - Meng (Youthful Folly): There will be progress and success. I do not go and seek the youthful and inexperienced, but he comes and seeks me. When he shows the sincerity that marks the first recourse to divination, I instruct him. If he apply a second and third time, that is troublesome, and I do not instruct the troublesome. There will be advantage in being firm and correct. <br /><br />There are no changing lines, and hence the situation is expected to remain the same in the immediate future. <br /><br />The things most apparent, those above and in front, are embodied by the upper trigram Ken (Mountain), which represents stillness and obstruction. <br /><br />The things least apparent, those below and behind, are embodied by the lower trigram K'an (Water), which represents danger and the unknown. </i><br /><br />As God is my witness, the above is precisely what the on-line generator returned.... The rational part of my brain says 6:44 in Toronto, with the last 500 proving a bit of a lactate bath, but I freely admit that I could be off by 10 seconds or more either way. ....<br />

[old] Samroot · Post by **[old] Samroot** » February 5th, 2006, 5:51 pm

I kept a weather eye to my left during the race in case the handle of #4 erg suddenly came off the pegs and started moving up and down the rail in some bizzare rendition of the invisible man. No such phenomenom-rangers erg was there waiting for him in vain. In all fairness the weather might have been a little dicey coming across the Niagara landbridge from Michigan,especially if he was coming in that morning. We had blustery 2 hr. drive up from NY.<br /><br />My wife did me proud,racing and finishing. She started out conservatively in 2:10/500m and 24 spm and finished a furious last 500m throwing in some 2:02s and 2:03s and closing on 3rd place finishing 3 secs. out of the medals in 8:34.<br />I wouldn't have blamed her if she hadn't wanted to row considering the tumultuous last couple of days. She was glad she came and raced-it took her mind off her situation and demonstrated to herself she was still capable of accomplishing things. There's been a lot of laughing and crying over the last couple of days.<br /><br />On the humorous side,on the way home, my wife told me about something that happened before my race. She overheard the coxsain next to my coxsain tell him,"We have to wait for Richard Cureton." My wife said she almost blurted out,"Oh he's notorious for not showing up!" No disrespect intended Ranger-just a Michigan girl telling it like it is.

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » February 5th, 2006, 6:16 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Feb 5 2006, 05:08 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>In keeping with Ranger's Romantic approach to ergiong, I have consulted the I Ching for a non-scientific prediction of his performance today in Toronto (race time in about 4 hours): <br /><br /><br /><i>The present is embodied in Hexagram 4 - Meng (Youthful Folly): There will be progress and success. I do not go and seek the youthful and inexperienced, but he comes and seeks me. When he shows the sincerity that marks the first recourse to divination, I instruct him. If he apply a second and third time, that is troublesome, and I do not instruct the troublesome. There will be advantage in being firm and correct. <br /><br />There are no changing lines, and hence the situation is expected to remain the same in the immediate future. <br /><br />The things most apparent, those above and in front, are embodied by the upper trigram Ken (Mountain), which represents stillness and obstruction. <br /><br />The things least apparent, those below and behind, are embodied by the lower trigram K'an (Water), which represents danger and the unknown. </i><br /><br />As God is my witness, the above is precisely what the on-line generator returned.... The rational part of my brain says 6:44 in Toronto, with the last 500 proving a bit of a lactate bath, but I freely admit that I could be off by 10 seconds or more either way. .... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />So the I Ching was right about stillness, behind which lies the unknown....<br /><br />I know what the sound of one hand clapping is. What is the sound of no hands rowing?<br /><br />

[old] Stretch · Post by **[old] Stretch** » February 5th, 2006, 7:03 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Feb 5 2006, 05:16 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I know what the sound of one hand clapping is. What is the sound of no hands rowing? </td></tr></table><br />A semi-circle.

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