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[[old] John Rupp]

Taylor Miller,<br /><br />That's a pretty good lwt 2k you have at age 54.<br /><br />Rich improved quite a bit from his 6:27.5 in the heavy class, as he lost more than 30 pounds and did 6:28.0 the next year as a lightweight.<br /><br />There is a difference of more than 25 seconds between the heavy and lightweight world records. However, if you take Rich's 6:28.0 as a lightweight, times the world records [ x 6:02.6 / 5:37.0 ] you get the equivalent time of 6:58.4 for a heavy, which shows the difference of a <b>30.4 second improvement</b> in one year! Plus he was more than a year older by the time of his 6:28.0, which would increase that improvement a bit more.

[[old] Roland Baltutis]

Looks like your really in the Pooh now Rich!<br /><br />How are you going to get out of this one?<br /><br />You've pulled a muscle and now everyone thinks that you've been pulling something else.<br /><br />It might be time now to give it away and move onto something else. You've got your trophies and records over the years so just leave it at that. The huge investment of your time with this is no longer paying dividends.<br /><br />I told you that changing your technique was a gamble. Changing your record breaking technique, for an on water rowing technique, only makes you look pretty for the coaches and style gurus. Erging is still quite different to moving a boat so you should have stuck to what your naturally comfortable with. You don't need your hands/arms & upper body for balancing a boat so on the erg your welcome to use them more for power generation.<br /><br />If your old technique was no longer improving your times then you simply reached your full potential. Your not superman and have limitations like the rest of us. So there's no need to keep feeding all the peanuts crap because their starting to see through you.<br /><br />What next Ranger?<br /><br /><br />Rockin Roland<br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What next Ranger? </td></tr></table><br /><br />I suppose rowing 6:24 and setting the 55-59 lwt WR at WIRC 2006, then training hard with my "rowing with breaks" routine for another off season, and then rowing 6:16 at BIRC 2006.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] hjs]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 19 2006, 11:24 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 19 2006, 11:24 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What next Ranger? </td></tr></table><br /><br />I suppose rowing 6:24 and setting the 55-59 lwt WR at WIRC 2006, then training hard with my "rowing with breaks" routine for another off season, and then rowing 6:16 at BIRC 2006.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />First things first Ranger.<br /><br />Do you race this weekend? The days of talk are over you have to deliver now.

[[old] Ericr]

Are you an insomniac Rich? When do you sleep?

[[old] ranger]

Ah. Discovered the problem, and it is not at all my technique. <br /><br />Drag.<br /><br />I shouldn't have been futzing with the drag.<br /><br />When I row with my new stroke, given the extent of my compression at the catch, the speed of my legs when I lift and pull with my back, and the quality and duration of my suspension on the handle throughout the drive, in short shrift, even rowing on 130 df. breaks my back and crushes my ribs. There is just _way_ too much torque for my little old bod to handle.<br /><br />I put the drag back down to 105 df.<br /><br />Nice. <br /><br />The weight of the chain moves off my lower back and ribs. The connection with the footplate becomes faster and surer. The stroke feels balanced again. Suspension on the handle comes more easily and regularly. Catches becomes smoother, no more heave no--and wince with pain at the effort.<br /><br />As I remember, the problems with my ribs started when I inched the drag up to 120 df. and started to do intervals. This week, I inched the drag up further, to 130 df. Big mistake. That's what threw out my back.<br /><br />I guess my body is now fully trained to generate watts with speed, timing, length, and ratio, like an OTW rower, rather than with a short heave ho (and then rush the slide), all levers applied together, like a weight lifter.<br /><br />No going back.<br /><br />I guess I'll be racing at 105 df.--or not at all.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] gooseflight]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 19 2006, 01:31 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 19 2006, 01:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ah. Discovered the problem, and it is not at all my technique. <br /><br />Drag.<br /><br />I shouldn't have been futzing with the drag.<br /><br />When I row with my new stroke, given the extent of my compression at the catch, the speed of my legs when I lift and pull with my back, and the quality and duration of my suspension on the handle throughout the drive, in short shrift, even rowing on 130 df. breaks my back and crushes my ribs. There is just _way_ too much torque for my little old bod to handle.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 16 2006, UK forum--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 16 2006, UK forum)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BTW, I am rowing at 130 df. now. Nice compromise. Feels great for this lighter rowing, and I think it will be fine for racing, too. So in terms of drag, after all the futzing around, I am ending up right about where everyone else rows, too. </td></tr></table><br /><br />

[[old] Ericr]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 19 2006, 07:31 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 19 2006, 07:31 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />I guess I'll be racing at 105 df.--or not at all.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Why the last option? You have used DF105 for ages now, so technique won't be the problem.<br />

[[old] Ray79]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 19 2006, 07:31 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 19 2006, 07:31 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When I row with my new stroke,[right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br />New Stroke, New Stroke...........Is it really that New??<br /><br />Hey, I have a New Car, Only 2 years old, one careful owner. Anyone want to give me brand new showroom price for it??<br /><br /><br />Didnt think so......<br /><br />Stop trying to flog a 2 year old horse off as a foal ranger, or in the case of the injury that has occured the stroke could already be on its way to the glue factory.......<br /><br />P.s. Injuries are a bummer for anyone who trains, so get well soon, and I really do mean that.<br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin-Ericr+Jan 19 2006, 08:28 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ericr @ Jan 19 2006, 08:28 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 19 2006, 07:31 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 19 2006, 07:31 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />I guess I'll be racing at 105 df.--or not at all.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Why the last option? You have used DF105 for ages now, so technique won't be the problem. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />105 df. is not a last option at all. In fact, as it is going now, it seems to be the _onlly_ option. You are certainly right that I am used to it!<br /><br />I get more pace for the effort with a little more drag, but it seems that there are other consequences to upping the drag that need to be considered. _Serious_ consequences.<br /><br />105 df. will do just fine. At 105 df. , 10MPS comes nicely at WR pace (1:40 @ 30 spm). If I can up that rate a bit, or even more than an bit (36 spm?), I should be in the money.<br /><br />Mending quickly now. Stretching, hot baths, rest, good food, etc., are working their wonders.<br /><br />I think I might be fine to try a 2K on Saturday, although at some workout like pace (1:42?). I am not at all sharpened yet. 8 x 500m might be possible for tomorrow. I will try some long easy rowing this afternoon or evening to test the waters.<br /><br />If I keep the drag at 105 df., rowing feels fine. I still have some residual damaage, though, I am being careful with. I should let it heal first before I go at it again full bore.<br /><br />ranger<br />

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 19 2006, 05:18 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 19 2006, 05:18 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mending quickly now. Stretching, hot baths, rest, good food, etc., are working their wonders. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Not too much good food, I hope, otherwise you may not make the lightweight category! <br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 19 2006, 05:18 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 19 2006, 05:18 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think I might be fine to try a 2K on Saturday, although at some workout like pace (1:42?). I am not at all sharpened yet. 8 x 500m might be possible for tomorrow. I will try some long easy rowing this afternoon or evening to test the waters. [right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Please Rich, forget the 8 x 500m for tomorrow. They won't help you for Saturday, and you risk hurting yourself.<br /><br />I wish you all the best,<br /><br />Francois

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->New Stroke, New Stroke...........Is it really that New?? </td></tr></table><br /><br />I rowed with my other stroke for about four years. With that stroke, I set all of my pbs, had three world record rows, won three major championships, raced about a dozen times.<br /><br />I have only been rowing with full competence as I am rowing now for a few months. With this stroke, I have never raced a 2K or set a pb. I have just done foundational training at low rates and high stroking power. I have never even sharpened, i.e., rowed at high rates and paces.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] hjs]

The first race is coming up and ranger fades away? Silence................<br /><br />What's up?<br />How is youre injuree?<br />Are you racing this weekend?

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-hjs+Jan 20 2006, 03:34 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Jan 20 2006, 03:34 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The first race is coming up and ranger fades away? Silence................<br /><br />What's up?<br />How is youre injuree?<br />Are you racing this weekend? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Could be travelling.

[[old] hjs]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 20 2006, 01:04 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 20 2006, 01:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-hjs+Jan 20 2006, 03:34 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Jan 20 2006, 03:34 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The first race is coming up and ranger fades away? Silence................<br /><br />What's up?<br />How is youre injuree?<br />Are you racing this weekend? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Could be travelling. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />yes true, I thought of that to. But nevertheless this thread is complete overtaken.<br />