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[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 12 2006, 10:14 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 12 2006, 10:14 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, if you would stop acting as if you are Captain Kirk and "going where no man has gone before", only to run into someone who has already been there, indeed things could go more smoothly </td></tr></table><br /><br />Paul--<br /><br />On the matter of the rowing stroke, I don't disagree at all. I followed your advice. The results, I think, are great.<br /><br />I am not at all "going where no man has gone before" with the rowing stroke! I am just learning standard, OTW technique. Your suggestion that I row all my meters in the off season strapless at low drag and work on technique all the while (even though I was a WR holder at the time) was exactly what I needed to succeed. First, it got my two more world record rows and two seconds off my 2K. Now I am testing the results again, this time after two more years of work.<br /><br />Thanks again.<br /><br />Love and kisses,<br /><br /> <br /><br />ranger xoxoxoxox <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, I know you are not; That was the point. <br /><br />Yellow Light big guy! (Are you Italian?) Afterall we've never met. But seriously, let's just shake hands if we happen to meet at CRASH-B's. Hopefully it can take place with a hearty "congratulations and well rowed".<br /><br />Ciao.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You have done all the work, now it's time to finish it off. Just do your  sharpening and race. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Of course. What else? I will be sharpening for the next five and a half weeks until WIRC, including five 2K tests (Indianapolis, Cinncinatti, Toronto, Balitmore, Chicago). I will be rowing fast every day, usually at high rates, often hard, and many times as hard as I can, with the only caveat being the avoidance of those all-too-common training disasters: sickness, injury, staleness, etc.<br /><br />There is a _lot_ of sharpening to be done before WIRC. How much? A million meters?<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But seriously, let's just shake hands if we happen to meet at CRASH-B's. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I look forward to that. It will be a pleasure. If the row goes well, you deserve a big chunk of the credit.<br /><br />See you there.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 12 2006, 10:55 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 12 2006, 10:55 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Most ergers, I think, especially beginners, just pull, push, and lift--all together--at the catch. This sacrifices the additive _length_ of the levers operating individually: legs, then back, then back _and_ legs HARD, and then arms. The rowing stroke is more like a whiplash than a crowbar. </td></tr></table><br /><br />So it's more like lift -- push -- pull, then.<br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A question ... this appears to be a stroke optimized to a LW ... it would appear a real HW would have some problem doing this efficiently ... perhaps?<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Not at all. When Shurmei hits with his legs and hangs on the handle his erg does a wheely, the whole thing lifts off the ground. Ergs don't float, but they can really fly!<br /><br />Lwts can do this, too.<br /><br />Eskild tapes down the front of his erg to the floor before he dashes off into his 2Ks at 60 spm.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Jan 12 2006, 02:12 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jan 12 2006, 02:12 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 12 2006, 10:55 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 12 2006, 10:55 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Most ergers, I think, especially beginners, just pull, push, and lift--all together--at the catch. This sacrifices the additive _length_ of the levers operating individually: legs, then back, then back _and_ legs HARD, and then arms. The rowing stroke is more like a whiplash than a crowbar. </td></tr></table><br /><br />So it's more like lift -- push -- pull, then. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />--4------------------------------1------------------- 2----------------3----------------<br />push-lift--push&lift---push--PULL--and----------recooooooooooooooooooover<br />--1----2-------3---------4-----5------6----7---8---1----2---3---4---5---6---7---8<br />toes-heels-legs&back-legs-arms-hands<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

It helps if you count out the first five pulses with a steadily louder voice and then drop the voice again on the sixth pulse.<br /><br /><br /><br />one---ttttwwoo---ttttttthhhhrrreee----ffffffffooooouuuurrrrrr---ffffffffffffffiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvvvvveeee--six<br /><br />This gives you the feel of the constant acceleration of the chain through the drive and the build-up in tension in the meter before the delivery of the downbeat with the arm pull.<br /><br />By the way, when you get the hang of this, you can just sit in a chair, close your eyes, and imagine your body doing it, in rhythm, right on the beat, feeling the flow of force, and visualizing the result, from an external perspective, from all sorts of different angles.<br /><br />Imagination is a big help in training for rowing.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] dadams]

Thought I'd beep in on this for a moment.<br /><br />It amazes me how long is being spent on 'perfecting' the stroke, and getting all the mechanics down pat.<br /><br />Michelle Guarette (spelling?) steps into a single (for the first time ever I believe) on what can be called a whim, and within a couple of months becomes rowings female athlete of the year, and quite possibly the best female sculler in the US.<br /><br />Ponder that.....

[[old] ranger]

BTW, once you get all of the pulses/gestures in the stroke timed and sequenced properly, you can then work on each one of them individually while you are just rowing along--whenever, wherever. This help a lot. Work on the peak of your stroke, pulse 3: push&pull HARD. Work on a smooth recovery of your hands, pulse 6. Work on finishing your legs, pulse 4. Work on the initial lift with the back, pulse 2. And so forth.<br /><br />Keeps your mind occupied. Improves your technique.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ponder that..... </td></tr></table><br /><br />And then ponder the thousands of ergers who can't row a whit and perhaps will never row a whit because their technique is crap but they don't realize the problem.<br /><br />Michelle is one.<br /><br />The ergers with crap technique are legion.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-dadams+Jan 12 2006, 11:49 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Jan 12 2006, 11:49 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thought I'd beep in on this for a moment.<br /><br />It amazes me how long is being spent on 'perfecting' the stroke, and getting all the mechanics down pat.<br /><br />Michelle Guarette (spelling?) steps into a single (for the first time ever I believe) on what can be called a whim, and within a couple of months becomes rowings female athlete of the year, and quite possibly the best female sculler in the US.<br /><br />Ponder that..... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Not really <b>that</b> much of a whim: <br /><!--QuoteBegin-Rowing News+ Vol 12, No 11, pg 26--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Rowing News @ Vol 12, No 11, pg 26)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"In the fall of 2003, US Coach Tom Terhaar invited a number of women who had done well in the teams sculling trials to make the switch [from sweep to sculling].  Guerette felt that sculling might represent her best chance for a spot on the Olympic team, but it wasn't an easy descision."<br /><br />"She was ready.  Her 'overnight success' was six or seven years in the making." </td></tr></table><br /><br />And being 25 now, that has here rowing for almost a third of her life, and all of her adult life. She should be a seriousl threat for the World Cups and 2008 Olympics.

[[old] hjs]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 12 2006, 08:02 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 12 2006, 08:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You have done all the work, now it's time to finish it off. Just do your  sharpening and race. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Of course. What else? I will be sharpening for the next five and a half weeks until WIRC, including five 2K tests (Indianapolis, Cinncinatti, Toronto, Balitmore, Chicago). I will be rowing fast every day, usually at high rates, often hard, and many times as hard as I can, with the only caveat being the avoidance of those all-too-common training disasters: sickness, injury, staleness, etc.<br /><br />There is a _lot_ of sharpening to be done before WIRC. How much? A million meters?<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Ok and there's no need to experiment with the drag, erg the way you are trained

[[old] dadams]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 12 2006, 03:44 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 12 2006, 03:44 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />"She was ready.  Her 'overnight success' was six or seven years in the making."<br /><br />And being 25 now, that has here rowing for almost a third of her life, and all of her adult life.  She should be a seriousl threat for the World Cups and 2008 Olympics. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Six or seven years as a sweep rower, not a sculler. There is a big difference.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-dadams+Jan 12 2006, 02:46 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Jan 12 2006, 02:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 12 2006, 03:44 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 12 2006, 03:44 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />"She was ready.  Her 'overnight success' was six or seven years in the making."<br /><br />And being 25 now, that has here rowing for almost a third of her life, and all of her adult life.  She should be a seriousl threat for the World Cups and 2008 Olympics. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Six or seven years as a sweep rower, not a sculler. There is a big difference. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Really?!?!? I'm shocked ot find that out... <br /><br />Yes, there is, but you left out a critical part of what I had quoted, "women who had done well in the teams sculling trials". I'm not sure how much exposure the team members get to sculling, but it's likely enough to make them what we might call competent, and for that class of athlete proficency comes pretty quickly. I taught myself to scull in a racing single over a summer vacation with 2 years of sweep rowing. I was still awful, but managed to do okay in a 7 mile race against a lot of folks with longer histories (2nd place, ~44 minutes). Kind of like strapping enough power to a brick to make it fly.

[[old] Ray79]

I think that rowing sweep before stepping into a single is great preperation as you will already have learned the basics of the rowing stroke - timing, not rushing the slide, body positions, weight distribution, blade placement, sharpness etc. Once you get the hang of hand positions (left over right), sitting straight (body in the centre of the boat rather than reaching round your rigger) and rowing with the same length with both hands (i had a lot of trouble doing this, rowed too long with my left) then the timing etc learned in the sweep boat will translate well.<br />I also think that sculling can make you a more efficient sweep rower.