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[old] FrancoisA · Post by **[old] FrancoisA** » December 6th, 2005, 6:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 6 2005, 07:48 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Today, after my long warm ups and erging, I did 80min on the stepper at 300 watts. I will now be adding 10 minutes a day to the length of this stepping, working toward 150 minutes by next week. My standard stepping routine during racing season has been two hours. This year I want to stretch this to 2.5 hours, marathon length, just to see what effect it might have. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Rich,<br /><br />Somewhat off topic, but I am curious regarding your stepping machine. Do you own one? What features should I look for if I were to buy one? Any brand recommendation? <br />What do you do to stay motivated for 2 hours on the machine?<br /><br />Thanks.

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » December 6th, 2005, 6:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 7 2005, 11:21 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>QUOTE<br />In fact, before WIRC, my goal is to do 4 x 2K at 1:40.<br /><br /><br />Also recorded - with what rests between intervals, please state clearly </td></tr></table><br /><br /><b>Does it matter? Sufficient</b>. <br /><br />These would be four, back-to-back-to-back-to-back, world record rows, in one session.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Ranger that is a pretty obtuse comment even for you - given your past history of glossing over details this session could be 4 hours long - still now you are claiming that in the next few months your goal is to break the current WR 4 times in one session.<br /><br />Most on here would constitute a session at about 90 minutes, most would do this set of 4 x 2k with 5 min rest and call that sufficient. Which ever way you choose I look forward to reading about it. Its gonna be a big change from what you are doing now.<br /><br />Now this is not like all the times you were going to do for a marathon that you said a year ago - is it ?<br /><br /><br />George<br /><br />Hey John, there is some great quotes here to use in a years time <br />

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 6th, 2005, 6:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>All this frustration for nothing but honour? Why dont you find a decent job where you can proove yourself for the economy? </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br /><br />So it goes on this forum.<br /><br />I guess it is a disappearing attitude, but to me, honor is more important than money.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />P.S. I have a good job, work hard, and contribute as much as anyone else to the economy. I hope I contribute in other ways in my professional work, too.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 6th, 2005, 6:56 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> to me, honor is more important than money. </td></tr></table><br /><br />That's why amateur sports are so great. They are not done for money. They are done for honor.<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 6th, 2005, 7:01 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> this session could be 4 hours long </td></tr></table><br /><br />No, the session would not be 4 hours long. <br /><br />5-10 minute rests? I would need to find out what seems right to me.<br /><br />The "performance" of this workout is meaningless. I don't approach workouts as "performances." They are just work, like anything else, 2 hours on the stepper at 300 watts--whatever!<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 6th, 2005, 7:06 pm

The best workouts don't defeat you. They make you feel good. They bring out the best in you.<br /><br />I try to do all of my workouts so that they are like this.<br /><br />They feel good. They bring out the best in me. <br /><br />George, sounds as though you need to get your mind right!<br /><br />It sounds as though you are _consumed_ with anxiety about working hard, surviving the effort, and reaching meaningful and ambitious goals.<br /><br />Sorry about this, but the stream of messages you post here, projecting your anxieties onto others, will do little to solve your problem.<br /><br />ranger

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 6th, 2005, 7:10 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 6 2005, 02:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Two years ago, I did the Zatopeks by rowing with my back with a light stroke at high rates and 200 df. </td></tr></table><br />Was that when you broke the WR's? <img src='http://www.d2ksoft.com/blog/images/smiles/whistle.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>rather than rowing at low drag with my legs and arms, too, and a decently powerful stroke, one that would be more useful in producing a quality 2K (not to mention quality times over other distances, too). </td></tr></table><br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 6th, 2005, 7:19 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 6 2005, 02:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I still have a tough time aligning that you did what you say and were still so slow for the 2k. Surely something is being lost in the translation. </td></tr></table><br /><br />What is being lost in translation? How about your assumptions (I have seen everything, know everything, etc.)?<br /><br />I am not training like most rowers around here, nor have I been for about 40 years. What are you generalizing from? All of the 50-year-old marathoner swimmer skater canoeists turned rowers you know or have known who have been doing 2 hours or so of physical work a day for decades but decided that doing 4-5 hours a day might bring better results, etc.? <br /><br />I also might have been slow in the 2K, then, because I didn't know how to row. Two years ago, I did the Zatopeks by rowing with my back with a light stroke at high rates and 200 df. rather than rowing at low drag with my legs and arms, too, and a decently powerful stroke, one that would be more useful in producing a quality 2K (not to mention quality times over other distances, too).<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You think I believe that I have seen everything, know everything? Interesting. At 16years old I think that was probably true, but ever since then it's been more like finding out all of the things that I don't know. Though I'm pretty sure that I've seen more regarding rowing than you are likely to be able to catch up to, and at some pretty high levels of performance.<br /><br />Perhaps you should tell me exactly what you mean by 80 x 250m x 250m (1:15 rest @ a paddle) @ 1:36. To me it means that each 250m interval would have a recalled average pace of 1:36, the 250m rest periods would be completed in at a 2:30 avg pace (or just make the rest intervals 1:15 on a PM2 or PM3) and there was no time away from the Erg except that which did not exceed the rest period.<br /><br />Just be clear in what you are saying and I'll have no reason to wonder if I'm misinterpretting it. i.e. If I said that I could do a sub minute 500m I wouldn't mean just a few strokes at 0:59 or better, it would have to be the whole 500m, Total time = Avg Pace. Common meaning, IMO. <br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 6th, 2005, 7:21 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 6 2005, 03:10 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 6 2005, 02:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Two years ago, I did the Zatopeks by rowing with my back with a light stroke at high rates and 200 df. </td></tr></table><br />Was that when you broke the WR's? <img src='http://www.d2ksoft.com/blog/images/smiles/whistle.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>rather than rowing at low drag with my legs and arms, too, and a decently powerful stroke, one that would be more useful in producing a quality 2K (not to mention quality times over other distances, too). </td></tr></table> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You see, John thinks that you have been completely ruined by advice that is contrary to what he would say. Perhaps one day you may be as fast as John.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 6th, 2005, 7:25 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I am curious regarding your stepping machine. Do you own one? What features should I look for if I were to buy one? Any brand recommendation? </td></tr></table><br /><br />As far as my rowing goes, steppers have been a godsend, but you are right that they are very different. You need the right machine to get the right effect.<br /><br />The usefulness of stepping to me is all in the relaxed feel. I have spent a lifetime running, but I got so that, for various reasons (bad ankles, tendons, weight, etc.), I couldn't run as easily as I used to. Steppers can feel like perfect running, though, the sort of running that you used to do when you were 20 rather than 55! You feel light and airy. There is no jolting contact with the ground. There is just pure effort and motion!<br /><br />For me, the steppers that feel like perfect running are the ones with big paddles. I think the company that makes of the one I use is LifeFitness. Getting the settings right is also important. I like to do manual, climbing routines at a 15 setting, about 11-11.5 floors a minute, 1150 calories an hour, right about 300 watts. <br /><br />I listen to music when I step. <br /><br />I guess all of the marathon running I have done has made me relaxed and entirely satisfied while stepping or running, for whatever distances. I just groove into the effort and the motion. Rowing is similar. I rowed all day once, and had no problem staying interested. It was exciting! Back in my marathoning days, I used to take 30 mile runs from time to time and ran over 20 miles each Sunday for decades. I also like long bike rides.<br /><br />I don't own a stepper. But since I am a professor at a major university, I always have access to athletic buildings, several of them, for almost no cost or trouble, and big university athletic buildings here in the US now have _loads_ of exercise equipment, state of the art, everything you could want. <br /><br />I own my erg, but only an old model C. I haven't bought a D yet.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 6th, 2005, 7:29 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 6 2005, 01:03 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>No, I didn't take 1 minute rest for the 250s. It took <b>1:30</b> (or thereabouts) as I remember. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 6 2005, 03:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Perhaps you should tell me exactly what you mean by 80 x 250m x 250m (<b>1:15</b> rest @ a paddle) @ 1:36. </td></tr></table><br /><br />PaulS,<br /><br />Quit typing so much nonsense and pay more attention to the things that you read! <br /><br /><br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 6th, 2005, 7:31 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 6 2005, 03:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>the 250m rest periods would be completed in at a 2:30 avg pace </td></tr></table><br /><br />2 x 1:30 = 3:00 ! <br /><br />Basic reading comprehension and arithmetic! <br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 6th, 2005, 7:32 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 6 2005, 03:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>You see, John thinks that you have been completely ruined by advice that is contrary to what he would say. Perhaps one day you may be as fast as John. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />If he keeps taking your advice, he soon will be! <br />

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 6th, 2005, 7:36 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>You see, John thinks that you have been completely ruined by advice that is contrary to what he would say. Perhaps one day you may be as fast as John. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, it can't be denied. I got pretty good with the wierd yanking and thrashing that I used to do. And who knows, perhaps it will turn out that I am indeed best at yanking and thrashing rather than rowing. <br /><br />I hope not, but who knows?<br /><br />Whatever turns out, given that this is rowing, even if indoor, it just can't be bad advice to suggest to someone that it might be useful to learn to row.<br /><br />I have enjoyed learning to row--immensely--even if it has taken quite a while, much too long, it seems, for people like George, who have ants in his pants (and other problems upstairs!).<br /><br />I am in no hurry at all. I am just having fun and enjoying the sport.<br /><br />In all sports, mastering technique provides some of the greatest challenges--and rewards.<br /><br />Erging is _entirely_ different for me now. When I erg now, I feel like I am in my boat. What I did before didn't have much to do with rowing.<br /><br />ranger

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 6th, 2005, 7:38 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 6 2005, 03:29 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>PaulS,<br /><br />Quit typing so much nonsense and pay more attention to the things that you read! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />John, I'm refering to something we discussed long ago.<br /><br />However, I'll defer to your expertise on this. ID10T

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